ken moved along. so, we were a team, and we worked together, but i have to note, then it and michael -- bennett and michael were two of the senators who supported nixon most. while tom is a legend, and so am i in my own mind -- [laughter] the fact is, we were where we were because we were allied with extremely loyal people. >> loyal senators. >> they looked at wally and me. he came from his office, he must be good. he came from bennett's office, he must be good. ipso facto, we were good. and we were good. >> john didn't come from there. how did you get on the staff? john: i still ask myself that. [laughter] i was a phd candidate at the university of pennsylvania, at the foreign policy research institute. there, i met two fellows of the institute, henry kissinger and dick allen. dick at the time was the national security adviser to candidate nixon, and henry kissinger was of course working for nelson rockefeller. i worked in the summer for dick allen as an intern. he was one of the founders of the george downs center for strategic studies, now csis, much bigger. dick was one of the key founders of that, and