ken blackwell and served on the anti-trump pac, our priorities. me you to the broadcast, and i've got to ask you has there been a conversion or are you still holding a grudge? >> i'm doing a kabuki dance with donald trump because as you know, lou, i'm an old reaganite and i want to make sure that he doesn't come in, in the heat of the -- in the euphoria of the moment try to disassemble the reagan agenda. he has a brilliant opportunity to rally the conservative base and to broaden the tent to include what we used to call reagan democrats and win this election and put thegenda of economic growth that jack kemp and i worked on for so long with president reagan, put it back in the play. lou: here's what occurs to me when i hear a great republican like ken blackwell and others express those sentiments. barack obama has rolled back the reagan agenda mightily. hillary clinton would stomp it to death, whatever embers of it might remain. snuff it out, if she's elected. and i don't understand why you would not embrace a man who has talked about restores pros

let's bring in our leader of the stop trump campaign, ken blackwell. he's a senior advisor. en, you have been listening to what we just played on the air. as i watched that, that was unique. it is unique to see and exchange between a candidate and one individual voter who are dead set in voting for the opposition. ken, hold on for one moment because i believe halie jackson is able to get with ted cruz and talking to him live. >> it is a fundamentally choice, do we get through campaigns through yelling and insulting or unifying based on real policy solutions to bring manufacturing jobs back to america and raise wages for working men and women. i am encouraged by saying republicans reunited behind your campaign and tremendous to have the honor of pence and carly fiorina and earning the support of hoosiers across the state. >> reporter: if it does not go your way, are you in the state? >> as long as we have a viable path. >> reporter: what does it mean? >> nobody permissive going to get to 1237. so when you are headed at the contested convention, the battle is who could earn the

ken blackwell, we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much for your insights. >>> the delegate math looking harder and harder for bernie sanders, the vermont senator is now threatening a party platform fight at the convention. >>> and next the latest on the wildfire that is threatening thousands in canada. why that fire could double in size today. stay with us. heart valve problem, pradaxa helps stop blood cells from pooling in the heart... forming a clot... which can travel to the brain and cause a stroke. pradaxa was better than warfarin at reducing stroke risk in a study. in the rare event of an emergency, pradaxa has a specific reversal treatment to help you clot normally again. pradaxa is not for people who have had a heart valve replacement. don't stop taking pradaxa without talking to your doctor. stopping increases your risk of stroke or blood clots. ask your doctor if you need to stop pradaxa before a planned medical or dental procedure. pradaxa can cause serious, and sometimes, fatal bleeding. don't take pradaxa

chris stirewalt and ken blackwell among your guests. good night in new york. junjudge napolitano: good eveni, i'm judge andrew napolitano filling in for kennedy. f.b.i. investigators are getting close enough to the former secretary of state and her private service debacle that she released her own secret weapon. >> they said we want to see all your emails. she said they don't belong to me, they flongt state department. this is. >> game. judge -- judge napolitano: bill clinton is dismissing the scandal about her private email server as a game. she failed to protect state secrets in 2,200 instances while she was secretary of state. she received a two-hour tutorial from f.b.i. agents on the proper care and handling of state secrets before she swore an oath to protect them as secretary of state. she across manied she had an obligation to recognize and protect information on the basis of its sensitive fayture and not whether they bore classified warning or not. the department of justice referred to it investigation of mrs. clinton as a law enforcement proceeding th

ken blackwell is keeping an eye on how thing are turning out in indiana.formal endorsement, but he does not like donald trump. his organization has spent a great deal of money to make sure donald trump doesn't win tonight. if it turn out that he does, then what? >> this is a delegate by delegate hunt. our goal line is 1,237. and until he crosses that goal line of 1,237 this is a contest. so i see this going out to california on june 7 and if he doesn't get 1,237, then we hit the middle round of this fight, the sick week between california -- the six weeks between california and the last primary and the opening of the convention. neil: you are hopeful you can deny donald trump taking this before the convention. but let's say he wins in indiana big. right now he has the lead. but let's say he gets all 57 delegates. then he's down to 184 he would need to wrap this puppy up. that's doable given the recent threat. >> it's doable but not guaranteed to him. let's take this out of the personal realm. it's not that i don't like donald trump. but i really question a

chris stirewalt and ken blackwell among your guests. good night in new york.d eveni, i'm judge andrew napolitano filling in for kennedy. f.b.i. investigators are getting close enough to the former secretary of state and her private service debacle that she released her own secret weapon. >> they said we want to see all your emails. she said they don't belong to me, they flongt state department. this is. >> game. judge

but they are slow walking in the words of one of them, ken blackwell, former secretary of state of ohiowards support for donald trump. and we got our hands on a copy of this membership directory and which has been secret the holy grail for political reporters for years and years and nobody has known who the members of this group were and we got a copy and with steven collieson, a great reporter at cnn.com, we started to calling them and there are some hold-outs that do not buy it and will not support donald trump and most of them making peace with it. they supported ted cruz in the primaries. a vast majority of them. they dislike hillary clinton much, much more than dislike donald trump and they feel like donald trump will likely support the kind of separaupreme court justices and somewhat alooned to them than hillary clinton. >> on the hold-out looks into conservatives looking at last-ditch efforts, discussion of unbinding delegates. whatever they can do to stop this. >> yeah. that's where "the washington post" reports of this morning and great report. we did not find the same level of

you might remember what happened in ohio in 2004 when we had then ken blackwell, secretary blackwell secretary of state, and he was on a committee for then president bush, so secretaries of state should be very, very careful about what they do and how they do it, especially when they are the chief elections officer. that troubles me more than anything. >> so that's secretaries of state. what about chairs of state parties? talking to the chairwoman in nevada who was telling me yesterday on live tv, you know where i'm going. >> i do. >> getting these threats. it was chaotic in nevada just a couple of days ago, you know. senator sanders was on that stage in southern california last night. i understand his frustration and that of the supporters, you know what, they feel like that the democratic party is subverting them and favoring hillary clinton but do you agree with the way that senator sanders responded. should they have said more? >> i mean, the senator was very clear, brooke, and he's been clear from the beginning that he does not support violence or disruptions. he believes that e