and i was taken, a lot of good coverage that ken burns did. in that there were two events that caught my attention. one of them was the clip that you showed there earlier about lbj in 1964, the recording where he commented that, he was just bothered by the whole situation and he was concerned it was going to be another korea. and i think to myself if he only had enough you know what, gum shun, to have stopped the whole thing right there, and he missed it. the other thing in the ken burns special that i was very struck by that i don't think anybody even knew or realized during the whole event was the determination of the north vietnamese people in the army. if i remember correctly, ken burns suggested that as many as 2 million people from north vietnamese were casualties, and they kept coming and coming down the ho chi mountraen trail, and don't think we realized their determination, we could never win that war. >> tlaunhank you, john for yourl and your service. mark lawrence. >> well, there is a lot in that caller's comments. as far as the, i'

i was an advisor on the ken burns series. i think the history is right. iti have a problem with it, is that those like the people you see on this panel, who went and did their job is best they could, and came home proud of their service, i don't think that story was told in the series. i have told ken burns that and others. i have known him for about eight years now. with that i would like to open the floor to questions. i would ask you to raise your hand and wait until they get you a microphone. you can address it to either the whole panel or an individual, as you see fit. in the front. >> i have a question about our initial involvement. there was a treaty that southeast asia -- the treaty organization, did we have to honor that? defensee it dealt with protection and southeast asia, to prevent communists overtaking it. what involvement did the treaty organization have? it was an associated member. it was used loosely in the beginning. it was primarily the united states, australia, thailand, new zealand, and i think the philippines. >> i won't ask them if

i'm calling because i recently watched the ken burns special. and i was taken what a good coverage that special was. there were two events that really caught my attention. one of them was the clip that you showed there earlier. the about lbj and 1964. the recording where he commented that he just honored by the whole situation and concerned it was going to be another korea. and i think to myself if he only had enough you know what gumption to have stopped the whole thing right there. and he missed it. the other thing in the ken burns special that i was very struck by that i don't think anybody even knew or realized during the whole event, the determination of the north vietnamese people and the army. if i remember correctly ken burns suggested that as many as 2 million people from north vietnamese were casualties. and they kept coming and coming down that trail. and they were determined. and i don't think if we had realized the level of their determination, we could never win that war. >> thank you. for your call. and for your service. >> there'

with the ken burns documentary we are going to get this fight all over again with intensity. the book has two emotional ties for me. one is that i have one friend on the wall who was killed in january 1968 when the north vietnamese came through. i trained with him and knew him well. he was a good friend of mine. it is the brilliance of the vietnam wall that it is by virtue of its black granite a reflective surface, so i believe that almost by accident, the reflective quality of the granite to those who have survived is a magical accident that i came upon. the second emotional tie is the sculptor of the soldiers at the memorial was a friend of mine, and i was not sure when i started to focus on this question as to whether this book would work. i had done dual biographies before, pete rose, a baseball book, saladin versus richard the lionheart, a medieval book. the form of dual biography interested me greatly. whether i could do a dual biography was a question in my mind. i was interested in the artistic process that those artists went through. what should the place be for a lo

we release public service announcements starring gary sinese, ken burns and ann-margret. [ applause ]g our efforts. and we are ending our anniversary commemoration this week with the reading of the names. honoring maya lin, and hearing from the only enlisted vietnam veteran ever to serve as secretary of defense, chuck hagel. with all of our speakers and the activities we maintained the commitment the wall was built on -- never forget. i will now read the names of the organizations as they lay their wreaths today. i would ask you to please stand if you're able. while the wreaths are being laid, you will hear the bagpiper playing "amazing grace" for the 19th year. today's ceremony will close with the playing of taps by master sergeant daniel orbin jr. of the president's own united states marine band. the organizations laying wreaths, national park service. ♪ vietnam veterans memorial fund. vietnam women's memorial. american gold star mothers. operation freedom bird. paralyzed veterans of america. gold star wives of america. the 101st airborne division. first calvary division association

--asn't in can burns ken burns. it needs to be addressed if anybody is going to look at what type of wars we are going to go into and who is doing the fighting. >> i think your question in a larger sense is, there are a lot of stories in vietnam that are very troubling. what is our obligation to keep telling those troubling stories? to make sure that we learn from those lessons and try to rectify some of the past injustices that we may have been involved in. toespective of how we tried read tell the story of veterans for their bravery and courage in a war that they did not necessarily choose to be involved in. what is our obligation to tell the difficult sides of this war so that the next generations can learn those lessons? >> it is very much an obligation. to go back to your point about the draft. i think if we had a genuine draft where there were no, except with some exceptions, deferment, i think we would be in a lot less wars. >> i think we have a responsibility absolutely to tell the truth about the horrors of

everyone watched it and i'm impressed with the work of burns -- ken burns on the civil war, on vietnam, on baseball, and on jazz. i am also very impressed, and i want to make this point very forcefully if i can, with the work that you've seen by the historians on this panel and telling global stories through the experiences of individuals. one man murdered in front of his wife and child. one person who goes through the -- of growthst of and leaving a city, leaving a part of the country. that story, those stories, that you hear individually, you hear the phrase cold case, but it's really about a person, and as was pointed out there is no statute of limitations on murder. when i first started teaching as an adjunct at brooklyn law school i always show the film judgment of nuremberg about judging the role of lawyers and judges and what i refer to as a criminal enterprise of murder incorporated state. these are important things to both atyou show them the global level, but also through the personal stories of the people who are going through it. the historians you have here are very adept

i have been on the faculty ever since aaron i was an advisor on ken burns series and before you asked me, i will tell you, i think the history is right and if i have a problem, it is that like those people who went and did their job as best they could and came home proud of their service, i do not think that story was told. i have told them that. i have known him for about eight years. with that, we would like to open the floor to questions. i would ask you to raise your hand and i would ask you to wait until they give you a microphone. you can address it to either the whole panel or an individual. in front. >> i have a question about our initial involvement. there was a treaty that the south east asia treaty organization and i am wondering, did we have to honor -- i believe it dealt with defense protection in southeast asia, to prevent communist overtaking it. what involvement did the treaty organization have? >> south vietnam was not a signatory. it was an associated member. it was used loosely in the beginning, but it was primarily the united states, australia, thailand, new zealan

by the way, that ken burns series that's coming out in september. there's a book that accompanies this, and i have an essay on th this. i think the best answer is, a surviving john f. kennedy changes anything. he always drew the line at ground troops. >> fascinating. i have more questions, let's see for the audience, there are microphones on either side, if you have questions, please go to them, i would encourage you to make sure it's a question, meaning it should end with a question mark rather than a statement. we'll start, i may jump in and ask more questions, let me start over here. >> speak up a little. >> don't you think kennedy's presidency was more pragmatic and adaptive, he was a supply side economist, he did escalate the u.s. involvement in vietnam. and it was lindon johnson that was more transformational. >> i think that's a fair question. there is a larger legislative achievement under lindon johnson, he's president for a long time, he's the master arm twister. he's very good at it. he also has the great political advantage, he can talk

military background could put the vietnamese and veterans at ease talking to me also working with ken burns with the pbs series. the first trip that i took anti-introduced me to 20 or 39 of which i understood i don't speak vietnamese soil and ask the question and get 20 minutes to respond then give me a 302nd summary. [laughter] so when i got home i hired a young woman who was a grad student so planes taking the she transcribed the interview so i had a chance to read so i went back the following year and then to ask that follow-up questions but the problem is that in the interim someone google me to decide i was an important american writer. so i got a nice note from the ministry saying because the was significant journalist or writer to have a deputy of minister so i sat down to draft a note back things for working with him but could contact before hand and said this is not an offer that you can refuse. so the deputy information minister because when we left hanoi to drive up to the first interview we had to pick up that information chief and then further on for the province and by the tim

-- and i recommend, by the way, the ken burns series that's coming out in september. but there's a book that accompanies this, and i have an essay in it on this question of what he would have done. and i conclude in that essay that though we can never know, i think that the best answer is that a surviving john f. kennedy does not americanize the war in the way that lyndon johnson did. i think he opts ultimately for a kind of fig leaf political settlement. he always drew the line at ground troops. and i don't think that would have changed. and that, of course, was key to johnson's escalation, was the ground troops. >> fascinating. fascinating. so i have more questions, but let's see for the audience -- there are microphones on either side. if you have questions, please go to them. i would encourage you to make sure it's a question, meaning it should end with a question mark, rather than a statement. and we'll start. and, again, i may jump in and ask some more questions. but let's start over here. [ inaudible question ] >> just speak up a little. >> okay. so don't you t

i'm suggesting in an essay that has written and i recommend that ken burns series that's coming out in september but there's a book that accompanies this. i have an essay of what he would have done. i conclude that though we can never know i think the best answer is that a surviving john f. kennedy does not americanize the war in the way that lyndon johnson did. i think he opts for a political segment. i don't think it would have changed. that of course was key was the ground troops. >> so i have more questions. so there are microphones on either side. if you have questions please go to them. i would encourage you to make sure it is a question meaning it should end with a question mak g rather that a statement. i may jump in and ask more questions. let's start over here. [ inaudible question ] >> speak up a little. >> he did escalate. it was lyndon johnson that was more of the transformational president with the great society. >> i think it's a fair question. there is a larger legislative achieveme achievement. he is the master arm twister. he is very good at it. he also has the great

>> the best was the ken burns vietnam series on pbs.ve shoutouts. >> what is wrong with you people? >> while the big bang they're a gave us what looked like the worst spin-off, but a show that did well, young shell done. >> go play. >> there, i played. >> it helped lead the way for a slew of successful comedies having a great year, including unbreakable kimmy shut. >> are you sure the other guy was gay? >> everybody is gay, kimmy. it's the '90s. >> masters of none, "better call saul." >> ballers. curb your enthusiasm, glad that's back. >> hey, bo jack. >> animation was galloping along. >> i liked the horse. i liked the horsey. >> bob's burgers kept cooking, and for rick and morty's cult-like following there was nothing bigger. >> i call that progress. >> are you a rick and morty fan? yeah? should i get into it. >> best sort of game show, shark tank. >> i just love it. so aspirational. >> the good place. >> it really makes you think about what it takes to be a good person on this planet, and i feel like we could all use a little bit more

day, jan was our master of ceremonies and our speakers were ken burns and lynne novick, codirectors of the recently released documentary called "the vietnam war." we released a book service announcements, starring gary sinise, tim burns, lynn novick, and the incomparable ann-margret. thanks to all of them for supporting our efforts. [applause] we are ending our anniversary commemoration this week with the reading of the names honoring maya lin, and hearing from the only enlisted vietnam veteran ever to serve as secretary of defense, chuck hagel. through all of these activities, and with all of our speakers, we maintain the commitment the wall was built on, never forget. i will now read the names of the organizations as they lay their wreaths today. i would ask you to please stand if you are able. while they are being played, you will hear bagpiper chris jackson playing amazing grace for the 19th year. today's ceremony will close with the playing of taps by master sergeant ofaster the president's own united states marine band. the organization is laying wreaths. national parks service.

>> the best tv i watched was the "ken burn's series" on cbs."the crown" and "shoutout" deserve shoutouts. >> while the "big bang theory" gave us the worst spinoff, a show that did well. young sheldon. >> go play. >> dam, i played. >> in health lead the way had a great year including unbreakable kimmie schmidt. >> everybody said, kimmie, it's the '90s. >> the masters of none "better call sol. >> ballers have to catch ballers. ah. >>" curb your enthusiasm." glad that's back. >> animation was galloping along, led by the wildly invented "horseman." >> i leak the horsey. >> bob's burgers kept cooking and for rick and morty's cult-like following, there was nothing bigger. >> i saw that saga. >> are you a "rick and morty fan?" >> should i get into it? >> best sort of game show "shark tank." >> i love it. so aspirational. >> best show to show you what you should do in "the good place." >> it makes you think about what it takes to be a good person on this planet. i feel we could all use a little more of that right now. >> best follow up to a first seaso

ken burns' "civil war," and the definitive series on the civil rights movement, "eyes on the prize." and the biography series "an american experience." they are telling me to get off the stage because there is so , much more i could tell you about the project, but i have run out of time. i want to thank miss patricia harrison, president and cto of -- and ceo of the corporation for public broadcasting for their support of the library of congress. unfortunately we have learned that pat's wife has been delayed and she cannot join us this -- pat's flight has been delayed and she cannot join us this afternoon, but can you give her a?and in absentee [applause] carla: i would like to introduce the senior vice president of communications for ctb to speak on her behalf. [applause] >> thank you, dr. hayden, and thank you for your leadership and for hosting this important gathering at the library of congress. i would like to recognize senator markey and thank him for his important support but only for his hometown station, wgbh, but also for his leadership advocating for in helping to sustain a

. >> ken burns' series on vietnam will go down as having been a product of 2017. >> okay. >> dounkirkh i thought wa extraordinarily powerful. spicy and the mooch. fidget spinners. houston in terms of floods and world series victory. the total eclipse. >> there's the corona! >> love the eclipse. >> we were all out there looking through odd devices. >> i think i have permanent damage. >> unbelievable! >> what las vegas endured. what mexico city endured. what charlottesville endured. o.j. simpson is out of jail. you have some favorites. >> here is my big little lies i thought deserved an honorable mention on the list. a new category. >> this is happening now. >> see, they didn't know we were going to do this, we're going rogue right now. honorable mentions. big little lies. by putting so many successful actresses in one body of work, by putting rape and sexual assault at the center of the story line, really elevated the topic. >> all of which brings us to number 2 on our 10 most. something we are calling, after some deliberation, "the reckoning." the wave of sexual harassment, assault, a

if you watch ken burns documentary you notice. and the leader of the pakistan the army said as the money that came in because of principled view was borne out by carter and the reason we went in there was revenge so we began to nurture the of mujahideen the 9/11 commission deals with some of this. in throughout the muslim world. and those offices and the man who'd beheaded nicholas bird is in this category. something to do and my for greater than themselves or a koch for -- a cause for which to live in then to get the visa or the plane ticket. in the commission reports of 9/11 or 20,000 and indonesian's. and then into the country. and part of that group was osama lead in london and that is what to dave recall al qaeda so they both came mount of that caldron of afghanistan. and the man who headed neck berg and made his way back bringing his jihad with him to jordan where he killed for the diplomat and a u.s. invasion in iraq went into iraq one of the men working for him and the founder of isis and started in 1973 now appoint where

>> to me it was dinner with ken burns. that was documentaria documentan burns.but the true great thing about it-- if you've never been to washington, d.c., you might not realize it, if you go to the national archives building they have a fantastic array of artifacts and documents that you really, really quite can't believe. including the constitution-- not that. the constitution of the united states. they have the actual-- like, this was written down ink on parchment, constitution of the united states. >> stephen: wow. >> and the most important job in our nation, i believe, is one of the two out-of-shape bored cops who stand right next to that. ( laughter ) because they stand there all day... you know what they're doing? they're preserving, protecting, and defending the constitution of the united states. ( cheers and applause ) they have done a hell of a job! >> stephen: wow. >> because -- >> stephen: do you get to touch it or anything? >> it's behind glass. you can lean over it. and they don't even allow photographs of it. you have to buy a $60 replica of the g

. >> we are all waiting for the ken burns documentary on christmas and the battle over fruit cake.hat do you think of senator flake's comments that your party is in the death rattle? >> a politician that realized he could not win in his own state and the polls showed he was in trouble, and i think it's funny when you see politicians as flake that come out as some sort of senior statesman that is letting us know the warning signs he sees coming when he did not see the same warning signs on his own seat in congress. i think the party has left flake more than it has left donald trump as he tries to imply here. the bottom line, it's always tougher for a president in a mid election win. flake should have paid more attention at home and maybe he would not be sitting here trying to be some sort of, you know, storyteller about the future when he couldn't even figure it out in his own race. >> ana, what about that argument that this is a guy on his way out the door and the party left him? >> maybe it was just two isolated cases, but it's not. we are having a exodus of republicans deciding n

and we should add that you oversee the ken burns, not just of the news hour and washington week. it is many others. >> i think one of the things that is great about the public television audience is that it is pretty well educated. above all, it continues to want to learn. keeping up on a daily basis is important. but, putting in context, weekly as we do on washington week, is very important. and history, the arts, science, kits all of the rest means we , served so many different people in so many different ways. our signature is the news in public affairs. it is the hardest to fund and yet our membership money, essentially, helps subsidized. although we raise a lot for the news hour. we raise a good bit for washington week. but we never make a profit. let us put it that way. we always reinvest in the product and could spend a lot more than we take in. i think it is our trademark, our signature. we are proud of it. i think our audience is proud to be associated with what we do. >> but it has always been difficult to keep it funded. always. we have never had, the word surplus does

i appreciate your mention of the ken burns film. and i hope members of the committee had a chance to see earlier this year the first in humans series that was about what it's like to be involved in a clinical trial and what goes through all of those experiences in terms of trying to find answers for untreatable diseases. it was inspiring and emotionally powerful. >> how long does this beta test take for the individuals when they come in? >> it's a blood sample. it's a series of fairly simple physical measurements. it's answering a whole series of questions in a questionnaire at your own convenience. and it is of course a detailed consent process so that people know what in fact they're getting into. you asked about privacy. everybody's worried about that and we are as well. this is a program that has to maintain the highest standards of privacy and security in order to be credible. and we are working with partners that are top of the market in terms of doing that. one of our major partners is verily and google. all of the patientfig

other creative people we interviewed this year, including jonathan franzen, trombone shorty and ken burnsnd their answers on our website, pbs.org. newshour. all that and more is on our web site, pbs.org/newshour. and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening with mark shields and david brooks. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org martha stewart: are you eager to learn how to update your favorite recipes with better for you ingredients from the modern pantry? then you won't want to miss this season of "martha bakes." join me in my kitchen where i'll teach you how to transform everything from traditional cakes, pies and even breads with new in

other creative people we interviewed this year, including jonathan franzen, trombone shorty and ken burnsnd their answers on our website, pbs.org. newshour. all that and more is on our web site, pbs.org/newshour. and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening with mark shields and david brooks. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org tukufu: we're the history detectives and we're going to investigate some untold stories from america's past. this week, three real-life movie mysteries. wes: was this camera used to create the classic monster movie, "king kong?" elyse: is this antique lighter evidence of a relationship between renowned antifascist f

watching the ken burns documentary on the civil war. of course we were severely divided at that point, literally brothers shooting brothers, the war of the north and the south, the fighting, this terrible conflict in gettysburg and chancellorsville and different wars. what strikes me is people like grant, here is a guy losing soldiers to the confederacy, and he still tips his hat to confederate soldiers he passes by in battle. there is still a level of respect for the enemy even. as americans, but they are the enemy. they are killing his people. he is killing them. and he treats lee with the utmost respect at appomattox courthouse. not as a vanquished enemy, but already stepping forward to feel al the country and doing the things it will take to heal. i don't think i'm overstating it. we are not in a civil war today. we are not shooting each other with bullets. but i'm worried about the democracy, brian. we are in crisis. we have a trust level in our united states congress that is getting into the single digits. you cannot sustain that

it wasn't in ken burns. it's like it was a lost cause. i'm glad somebody wrote about it in the new york times but it's got to be addressed if people are going to look at what kind of wars we are going to go into and who's going to do the fighting. inthere are a lot of stories vietnam that are very troubling. what is our obligation to keep telling those troubling stories learn make sure that we from those lessons and try to rectify some of the past injustices that we may have been involved in irrespective of how we tried to retell the story of veterans for their bravery and courage in a war they didn't necessarily choose to be involved in. what is our obligation to tell the difficult side of this war? >> it's very much an obligation. to go back to your point about the draft, i think if we had a genuine draft where there were no, except for rare exception, deferments, i think we would be in less wars. >> i think we have the responsibility, absolutely, to tell the truth about the horrors of war. again, not from an antiwar point of view, just

words, lure the soviet union into afghanistan to pay it back for backing, anybody who watched the ken burnsmentary knows this, backing the vietcong and the north vietnamese when we were in vietnam. the chinese became our allies during this time, so the idea was, and the head of the isi, the military intelligence arm of the pakistani army said in his book, his memoir of his time, and he was in charge of the money they came in and distributing it among all the mujahedin, the principal reason in his view, it's borne out by brzezinski and gates, the reason that we went in there was revenge. so together we created and began to nurture will be called the mujahedin. at the same time, the 9/11 commission deals very weakly with some of this. talk about numbers. we with our allies from algeria, from egypt, from saudi arabia, from yemen about the muslim world, even according to rumors i've heard through brooklyn, meaning the u.s., there were offices in each of these countries. and zarqawi, the man who beheaded nicholas berg is in this category, there are offices in every one of these countries were a

ken. their mother michelle is badly burned in a coma. she doesn't know that her children have died., "they've gone?" i can't even turn around and say one's gone. all her young ones, all her babies have gone. she's just going to say, "why have you brought me back?" "why didn't you just let me go." this is the first time her family has spoken of their pain, their loss, and their memories of the night they saw fire engulfing the house where the children and their mother were asleep. there's not words what your eyes can describe what you see. no, you can't describe what you see. i remember going down the street and then just being surrounded by police officers. and i'm screaming at them, screaming at them, and i'm calling them all sorts of names. you just wanted to go in and help but you couldn't. little lia's life hung in the balance for two days. her auntie claire comforted her as she slipped away. they allowed me to cuddle her and hold her as she passed. did you speak to her? i spoke to her, i sang to her. it must have been so difficult. it broke me, it did. i didn't want to let that

ken. their mother michelle is badly burned in a coma. she doesn't know that her children have died.nd and say, "they've gone?" i can't even turn around and say one's gone. all her young ones, all her babies have gone. she'sjust going to say, "why have you brought me back?" "why didn't you just let me go." this is the first time her family has spoken of their pain, their loss, and their memories of the night they saw fire engulfing the house where the children and their mother were asleep. there's not words what your eyes can describe what you see. no, you can't describe what you see. i remember going down the street and then just being surrounded by police officers. and i'm screaming at them, screaming at them, and i'm calling them all sorts of names. you just wanted to go in and help but you couldn't. little lia's life hung in the balance for two days. her auntie claire comforted her as she slipped away. they allowed me to cuddle her and hold her as she passed. did you speak to her? i spoke to her, i sang to her. it must have been so difficult. it broke me, it did. i didn't want to

burn. >>> the 11:00 news on fox2 starts now. >>> i am ken wayne. whole -- hold the your log. it may look clear, but the air quality management officials have issued a spare the air warning for tomorrow and tuesday. this is the 12th and 13th alerts this winter. rob malcolm spoke to one woman is that christmas will not be the same because of the span. >> what? that is crazy. you cannot have a fire today. is not dry season comments winter.>> i get in the summer. it's winter. >> the sedate family has an issue with the latest winter, spare the air winter alert. this is part of their christmas tradition. >> having a fire is cozy and fun. people talk, and relax pics >> they are not trying to ruin your holiday. the bay area air quality management district has issued two additional winter, spar

ken bone. >> you don't have the mustache. that's correct >> they wouldn't let me. you know who else, person who made the chipotle caso burnture, please, people >> we might have to save it. >> no, you're not allowed. >> i have a neck. >> that's going to be my auto biography, i have a neck, the jim lokay story. >>> cori loon do you dow ski wrote a book. they say the four major food group on the air force one or, trump force one, where mcdonald's, kfc pizza and diet coke. potato chips, pretty sells and oreos, the new issue of washington life magazine includes karen pence, there are photos of vice president of mansion. but maybe the highlight is when karen pence reveals the parting words from joe biden. she tells the magazine that as inauguration ceremony, you're going to love the pool. and that was it. he probably wouldn't mind being invited over if vice president pence is watching. >>> you might think chuck schumer might have empathy for losing, apparently trump will not stand for losing on the football field he tweeted in response to the news that the new york giants fired ben mcadoo, maybe president trump can pull strings

burn out of control. chris? wing the view de the truck >> reporter: ken, powerful winds are continuing to help this fire grow tonightes and still growing and hundreds of homes destroyed just like this one here. this is one of the neighborhoods where we have found a lot of homes that have burned to the ground, nearly 30,000 people remaining evacuated tonight. many of them just do not know if their home is still standing. about 1,000 firefighters on the front lines here, these firefighters from all throughout california and more are on the way. they are certainly going to need the help because the strong santa ana winds that really helped this fire explode, they are forecasted to remain in this area for the next couple of days. ken, back to you. >> chris, we're hearing that, you know, fire officials suspect that hundreds more homes could be lost in all this beyond the 150 that are already reported. based on what you're seeing out there, based on your experience driving around with your crew there, do you expect that number to go up? now a young man is being >> reporter: absolutely. i think it will go up over the next

burned down to the ground as well. take look at the backyard. the only thing that made it through here was that boat in the backyard. we talk about the luck factor. kene can take look across the street. directly across that neighbor's house made the out perfectly fine. but if you take look at the one directly to the left of it, that house burn to the ground and it's all because of the so cal winds we have. it gets unthe eaves that's one of the reasons why this fire the thomas fire at 0% containment tonight. we have three other fires burning in so cal. resources are stretched thin and red flag warning going through the rest of the week. extremely low humidity and these winds are just going to get worse it's going into sundown out here and that's when those winds really start to pick up much guys. >> there's a lot of fuel to burn unfortunately. kttv's bill mulligan joining us live from venture what county california. thank you much, stay safe. >> let's check in with your fox 29 weather authority. temperatures were nice and mild today. but get ready they are going to be taking a tumble. how far that mercury will fall in just 15 seconds. >> what a day in

kens family home is dark and still tonight. plywood covers the windows and a fence surrounds the burned structure and there is deep sorrow in this montgomery county community for the passing of the lukens boys. it was just after 5:00 this morning when flames consumed the two-story wood home at 920 summit avenue in schwenksville. dave about man look out his front window. >> i seen flashing. i thought it was like an ambulance out here or something. and it wasn't an ambulance. that place was on fire. i heard a couple of explosions. >> reporter: it was the home of the lukens family engulfed brian deputy montgomery county sheriff was out of the house when fire crews arrived along with his wife tracy and nine-year-old daughter sophia. inside in their second floor bedroom 11-year-old brian, jr., and six-year-old parker. >> unfortunately there were two juvenile males located on the second floor deceased. the cause of this fire is unknown at this time. >> reporter: by daylight, the blackened structure was surrounded by state and local fire investigators who could be seen handling what looked like a scorched piece of wire. nearby, what ap