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ken) tonight immigration rights advocates say don't be fooled..this is hardly a victory. they say reuniting children with their parents is not a solution when families seeking asylum are still being detained. immigrant policy center 15-25essentially family detention children and their mothers are locked up in prisons together. its still problematic to have young children in prisons behind bars with their mothers families belong in community and not in cages.>(ken) an immigrant rights attorney told kron-4 that children are being treated like criminals... and that the president's executive order doesn't change that. ( ken ) and new tonight at 8. in just five days -- a bay area couple has raised more than 14-million dollars through a facebook fundraising page to help reunite undocumented families that have been separated at the border.(pam ) their campaign went viral and is receiving about 3-thousand dollars in donations every minute. kron4's michelle kingston spoke to some of the donors .. about why they believe it's important to give to the cause. chelsea wallau, donated"this is not anywhere near the kind of world i want to live in." marisa juarez burdick, donated "hearing that babies were