would you think about what ken clark said about rising taxes now rather than postponing them further?poning them further? can's view is you need to get back— postponing them further? can's view is you need to get back to _ postponing them further? can's view is you need to get back to a - postponing them further? can's view is you need to get back to a place . is you need to get back to a place where _ is you need to get back to a place where we've got a fiscally sustainable situation —— can's view. and he's— sustainable situation —— can's view. and he's pointing to, just in the last couple _ and he's pointing to, just in the last couple of weeks, the markets have started to raise the price of government debt. rishi sunak knows that, i_ government debt. rishi sunak knows that, ithink— government debt. rishi sunak knows that, i think he was acknowledging that, i think he was acknowledging that in— that, i think he was acknowledging that in some of the interviews that he did _ that in some of the interviews that he did this — that in some of the interviews that he did this morning. so a

right back to ken clarke in the �*90s when he introduced the internal market into the health service,he controversial andrew lansley reforms of 2012, which cemented the idea of gp commissioning groups, competition being the key driver for improved services. now it's about i think bringing back the power of local authorities to work with hospitals, delivering health care far more locally for patients, and it seems increasing the power of ministers in whitehall to try and pull levers, a bit more of a simplified version of nhs structure that we have not seen for a while. that's what the draft white paper that has been leaked points towards, and eventually we will get legislation which really does unpick many of those coalition government reforms that were put in place to try and rewire the way the nhs works. some people might wonder about the timing. i mean, the nhs is under such intense pressure at the moment, is this the right time to be introducing radical reforms? labour have certainly said, why now? why prioritise a restructuring just as the nhs is dealing with a pandemic? the nhs f

ken with vioxx he was the general counsel. >> lawyer. he was general counsel and lawyer before. >> they had a ceo named richard clark that wasn't that wellvigate through vioxx which caused some heart attacks. the company was going to settle and the settlement talks were for about $50 billion. ken frazier, we had him on "squawk box" all the time. he decided and pushed as hard as he couldto go case by case, case by case, case by case they ended up winning. the total hit that they took was $5 billion instead of 50 billion. next thing you know ken, they elevated him to ceo. then after that they had a pipeline problem and he brought in this unbelievable r&d chief, perelman and developed keytruda, saved jimmy carter's life and is a transformational therapeutic so this is -- and then we know everything that happened with trump -- with president trump's ceo counsel. >> on top of that -- >> favorite of jeff sonnenfeld, too. he was hired by roy bagalos and i think he really cared about merck's culture. >> not just the company, but i think health care overall. ken frazier has done things to try and take on the health care industry at large and deal