there's a prosecutor, ken cole, who was determined to convict the columbia guerrilla for kidnapping the american hostages. we also realize that none of this would be in play without something that our country have been going, which is righting the war against the herb, cocaine plant and spending millions of dollars military to fight the drugs. that's been our relationship with columbia. to explore that, we wanted to tell a fascinating story. so we have all of the these characters. but at the same time show how the u.s. has really failed miserably, caused -- there's so much violence that has come out of this. we continue down the same path. that became a really important part of the book and why we wrote it. >> thank you, victoria and karin very much. gary nesner has a new book "stalling for time" the history of his life as a hostage negotiator. it's that the -- i wanted you to perhaps comment on the fact because of the way the antiterrorism rules are written in the country, the three americans who were taken were working for northrop grummand. the money would be illegal. it would be goi

at the same time, there's a prosecutor, ken cole who is bound and determined to convict this columbian guerrilla for kidnapping the american hostages, so we also realized that none of this would not have been in play which is fighting a war against the cocaine plant and spending billions and billions of dollars militarily to fight drugs. that's been our relationship with columbia, and so to explore that, you know, we wanted to tell a fascinating story, so we have all these characters that at the same time show how the u.s. is really failed miserably, caused -- there's so much violence that's come out of this, and we continue down the same path, so that became a really important part of the book and why we wrote it. thanks. >> thank you, victoria and karin very much. there's a critical role in the book and a new book is coming out which is a history of his life as a negotiator. because of the way the antiterrorism rules are written in the country, the three americans were taken and in order to do a deal that in some way gave money for exchange for hostages which is often the only way to