i met ken conrad who convince me to be a tax lawyer. i have a substantial background in tax and he convinced me to run for office. if there is a mentor in my life, it has been him. he said, be honest. >> relationship with the leadership, chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell, what has it been like? sen. heitkamp: i don't have much of a relationship with mitch. i scheduled a meeting with him. i don't know what he thought. mike johanns, one of the finest people i served with, had left the senate. there was an opening in the millennial corporation which i thought he would be great for. a republican nominee. i called mike and said, i think you would be great for this. you bring great perspective. you understand the senate, the political challenges. he said i am not going to ask for it. i said, is it ok if i ask for it? i asked if he could put mike johanns in. he and mike were old friends. mitch was kind of confused why was there fighting for mike johanns for this appointment. mitch does what he says he's going to do. the bit of hypocrisy i will sa

went into my histrionics about how larry king failed to do his job as a kernel is that as a conrad -- hend said kenking is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing. askings not, he is not the basic questions, look at the check you wrote to yourself to pay your tennis club dues -- he said no, ken, you don't get it. larry king is keeping up his ratings. that is his only job. it depends upon who we are talking about, right? jonathan, a lot of what we see in the cable news is responsive forces. people want to be able to watch cnn and get really angry at the president. people want to watch fox and get really angry at those who are angry at the president. they want to be angry at nancy pelosi. welcome to democracy -- it is not very elevated, it is very is -- what it sure shall i say -- consistent with our first amendment values. ms. van sustern: let me switch gears, and i will give you the opportunity to ask questions. s at bothicrophone sides of the room. this is nothing to do with the current investigation, but a question i would like to learn any sittingo -- can president be indicted? i know the