let's bring in our great debaters, jennifer granholm, and ken cuccinelli. show of hands. russia meddled in the election? good. let's move on. >> who doesn't believe? >> yes. do you believe, ken? >> you're a good lawyer, chris. you're phrasing it in the negative. i think it's rather clear. >> roger stone still has questions. >> it was clear before today. >> i agree with you on that. let's talk about what this means in context. jennifer granholm, the context is this. the president is on the eve practically of being in helsinki where we're all go to go and watch what happens when he is with putin. we heard he was told earlier this week by rosenstein about this indictment, and yet when asked about the putin meeting, he said it's going to be the easiest one yet. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me, first of all, that he has no idea what he's going into. it also tells me he should not be meeting with putin. but if he's going to be meeting with putin, he certainly shouldn't be doing it without any witnesses. we're all here saying that he's -- you know, many people are s

let's bring in our great debaters, jennifer granholm, and ken cuccinelli. show of hands. who doesn't believe russia meddled in the election? good. let's move on. >> who doesn't believe? >> yes. do you believe, ken? >> you're a good lawyer, chris. you're phrasing it in the negative. i think it's rather clear. >> roger stone still has questions. >> it was clear before today. >> i agree with you on that. let's talk about what this means in context. jennifer granholm, the context is this. the president is on the eve practically of being in helsinki where we're all go to go and watch what happens when he is with putin. we heard he was told earlier this week by rosenstein about this indictment, and yet when asked about the putin meeting, he said it's going to be the easiest one yet. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me, first of all, that he has no idea what he's going into. it also tells me he should not be meeting with putin. but if he's going to be meeting with putin, he certainly shouldn't be doing it without any witnesses. we're all here saying that he's -- you kno

we bring in cnn legal and political commentator ken cuccinelli. eneral and editor for the "weekly standard," bill kristol. ken, rudy giuliani says trump's ask is not out of the ordinary. when he was a prosecutor family members and friends of defendants asked him to go easy on people. but this is the president of the united states talking to the fbi not to prosecute one of his friends. isn't that a little different than what mayor giuliani is talking about. >> certainly it is different and the behavior isn't different and i think the president is right in that it was structured as not an order as both sides describe it so the unusual feature you've zeroed in on is that he was the president talking to the fbi director but i don't think the request is unusual, particularly in light of what we know of the michael flynn plea, frankly. >> bill, it's been hard to tell at times whether or not mayor giuliani is going off script or trying to get ahead of the news by making certain facts public. is this a pr game? >> i think he knows president trump has certa

we have former virginia attorney general ken cuccinelli. and former white house ethics tsar norm eisen. let's talk white house. ken cuccinelli, the idea of push back now that this won't be about roe versus wade. do you believe that everything trump said during the campaign about doing exactly that? >> well, i certainly think that roe versus wade is going to loom large here, it's going to loom large because the type of justices and judges that so far trump has picked basically just read and apply the constitution, and that isn't how you keep a roe. as prominent scholar as larry tribe and there's a long list of liberal scholars who have all said, roe versus wade was poorly decided. so when you -- >> it's not what chief justice roberts said. he said it was -- >> no, he didn't say it was well decided. >> he said it was starry decisive. >> it's the only one that matters. >> justice kennedy used to talk a lot about starry desis is except when he didn't. especially in his last week as a justice, deciding cases he reversed a 40-year-old one from th

ken cuccinelli, alan dershowitz, and laura coates. it's good to have all three of you. laura, i start with you. your interest in this? >> you know, what you're seeing here is michael cohen is very well aware the gloves need to come off. it's a credibility campaign going on right now and a game of he said/he said, he wants to prevail. particularly it seems the idea whether he says cash or whether he said check may seem like a nominal matter. what he's trying to establish is there was some awareness on behalf of donald trump at the time that there was this pending transaction, this agreement with karen mcdougal, and that he, himself, was trying to at least appeal to his good senses in some way talking about, no, no, no, no. so i think you're seeing this all play out in realtime, but certainly the gloves are off. and if you're donald trump, you're concerned there may be additional information that his tape alluded to in the form of all the things, in case david pecker no longer is in charge of ami. >> now, alan dershowitz, professor, even if we take the reckoning of the re

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and ken cuccinelli being a grassroots conservative is not fond of him. host: let's take some calls, this is michael on the democrats line. caller: i love your show. i just wanted to say, if donald trump had any kind of angling of bringing this country together he would bring merrick garland onto an opportunity to be the next the bream justice. he would bring the democrats together, it would unify the country that i, at 63 years old, have never seen the divisions like this, even in 1968 when i was catching permits but -- bar mitzvahed. like president trump to think about unifying the country instead of dividing. guest: i actually agree with the sentiment about bringing people together, and i do think donald trump could have done something like a cabinet position might have been able to bring in some prominent democrats and build bridges. i think with the supreme court it's different. this is a lifetime appointment. donald trump is trying to find a doesn't only have to worry about bringing in democrats, he doesn't worry about bringing in democrats at all.

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ken cuccinelli, the former attorney general of the state of virginia said he looks, walks and quackse john roberts, jr. the bush lives loudly in kavanaugh. are you concerned about that conservative opposition mounting to brett kavanaugh? >> every potential nominee before announcement gets concerns expressed about them by people who might ultimately support them. people aren't always familiar with their records. sometimes people say things about one nominee because they favor another. i think what you can say about what's going on right now, talk about brett kavanaugh, amy barrett, thomas hardiman, ray kethledge who i assume those are the four. >> those are the four. >> they're extraordinarily distinguished people. certainly brett kavanaugh and amy barrett have a lot of name recognition among supporters of the president, and i think that ultimately when people like them are nominated you'll see a lot of folks line up. >> according to "the new york times" senator mcconnell said two would have an easier road to confirmation, raymond kethledge and amy barrett. is it true that they would

and ken cuccinelli being a grassroots conservative is not fond of him. let's take some calls, this is michael on the democrats line. caller: i love your show. i just wanted to say, if donald trump had any kind of angling of bringing this country together he would bring merrick garland onto an opportunity to be the next the bream justice. he would bring the democrats together, it would unify the country that i, at 63 years old, have never seen the divisions like this, even in 1968 when i was catching permits but -- bar mitzvahed. like president trump to think about unifying the country instead of dividing. guest: i actually agree with the sentiment about bringing people together, and i do think donald trump could have done something like a cabinet position might have been able to bring in some prominent democrats and build bridges. i think with the supreme court it's different. this is a lifetime appointment. donald trump is trying to find a doesn't only have to worry about bringing in democrats, he doesn't worry about bringing in democrats at all. in add