. ♪♪ elizabeth: back with us now, former dhs acting deputy secretary ken cucinelli.s, they are doing catch and release of illegal border crossers without court dates because border patrol is overwhelmed. that's quite an admission. what do you say? >> well, it is quite an admission, but let's face it, we knew just as a matter of math that they were doing this a while ago. but to have it officially admitted is an extraordinary thing. and just so people know, it has been standard practice certainly in the trump administration to issue what's called a notice to appear. this is your court aexperience requirement. now, a lot of them don't show up, but they're in the system, they're in the process of deportation at that point. and, of course, this administration doesn't want to deport people. so it isn't just an admission of catch and release, it's an admission that they're not even starting deportation proceedings against people who they pick up in the desert in between ports of entry who clearly came across the border illegally. complete abandonment -- elizabeth: okay, so