let's get right to ken dilanian with the latest. rter: jose, in a stark repudiation of donald trump's attorneys, judge tanya chutkan has set a trial date for march 4th of next year in this case. that's the date jury selection would begin. that's just two months later than what the prosecution had asked for, but it's in a world away from the april 2026 time line that trump's attorneys had wanted and immediately after she made her ruling, trump attorney john lauro put on the record, he said we will not be able to provide adequate representation. there's no doubt that this trial date is inconsistent with president trump's right to due process and effective assistance of counsel so laying the groundwork for an appeal there. legal experts say this is the judge's call. this is a tough issue to get overturned in the appeals court. obviously the trump team is going to try to do that. judge tanya chutkan heard from both sides on this hearing. she heard the trump side make am impassioned plea, there are so many witnesses and interviews, that t

ken dilanian has our report >> reporter: much of sarah feinberg's philosophy about life was shaped by her time as a captain in the u.s. marines, serving in iraq. >> it helped me get a sense of right versus wrong and to have a clear picture of the service that i wanted to perform for our country. >> reporter: in 2015 as a young mom she was rising up the ranks of booz allen hamilton as a financial analyst. >> booz allen works almost exclusively with the u.s. government and they have a ton of contracts with the department of defense. >> reporter: she says she quickly realized the company's other contracts, some with foreign governments like saudi arabia, were bleeding cash >> and in order to keep the company profitable they were passing those costs on to the u.s. government contracts. >> so these private contracts including with foreign governments are losing money and to cover those losses they're taking money from the american taxpayer? >> that's right. >> and it was a lot of money. >> what i discovered when i was there was that they were overcharging the government by nearly 100 milli

light after a marine veteran sounded the alarm, earning, get this, $40 million for the effort ken dilanianas the story >> reporter: much of sara fineburg's philosophy about life was shaped by her time as a captain as a u.s. marine serving in iraq. >> it helped me get a sense of right versus wrong and have a clear picture of the service that i wanted to perform for our country. >> reporter: in 2015 as a young mom she was rising up the ranks as a financial analyst >> it works almost exclusively with the u.s. government and they have a ton of contracts with department of defense >> reporter: she quickly realized the company's other contracts, some with foreign governments like saudi arabia were bleeding cash from they were passing those costs onto the oust u.s. govern contracts. >> reporter: to cover losses they're taking money from the american taxpayer in. taxpayer >> that's right. they were overcharging the government by nearly $100 million a year >> reporter: she began a campaign to convince her bosses to put a stop to it. >> it made me very upset as a taxpayer and marine officer. >> repo

. >>> joining me, justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian outside the d.c. courthouse and former u.s. attorney and law professor, joyce vance. ken, a march 4th, 2024 trial date has been set. what does it mean for the two sides? >> reporter: i have to say, andrea, more aggressive than many people believed. i was thinking maybe june, maybe in the summer. it's only two months distant from what the special counsel had proposed, which was january of 2024, and the judge said that was too aggressive. but she really didn't give the trump team much of anything, and they didn't help themselves at this hearing with some rather bombastic comments about the enormity of the case. she told them right away, look, april of 2026 was not happening, that was not reasonable in her view. it was way too far from the actual point of the alleged crimes, witnesses could lose their memories. she said, give me a reasonable timeframe that you need to process all the discovery in this case, and they just wouldn't do it. they wouldn't get off the april 2026 date that they were proposing. i

i want to go to ken dilanian to break it down for us. what exactly is this, ken?ese new charges in the florida case. this new superseding indictment and pleading not guilty by signing this document. he doesn't have to show up in court. he can do because that he's already been arraigned in the original indictment remember when he went down to florida to face those charges in person. it's unclear whether his co-defendant walt nauta still intends to show up at the thursday arraignment. he doesn't have to either. he can do it via a form. again, remember this is a superseding indictment that added new counts of obstruction of justice to mr. trump, mr. nauta and a third co-defendant carlos de oliveira accusing them of conspiring to destroy surveillance videotape at mar-a-lago. >> so carlos de oliveira wasn't arraigned previously, so would he have to show this time? >> yes. he would be required to show up in person at an arraignment initially. we expect to see him there. >> okay. again, donald trump saying he's not going to show. he is going to waive his right there. ken

chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that. now, at one point today, judge chutkan asked the lawyers to take the temperature down. former u.s. attorney kirschner was there. he joins us from outside the courthouse. the stakes are high, you can understand why there might be an intensity in the courtroom, but what was going on to bring that warning from the judge and just overall bring us up to speed on what you saw and heard inside the courtroom? >> yeah, chris, trump's lead defense attorney john started out loud and got louder. it was twice judge chutkan had to tell him, take the temperature down. he was insisting that the only appropriate trial date that would give he and his team enough time to prepare to defend donald trump was the april 2026 trial date, which i don't think anybody thought was a legitimate request by the defense. judge chutkan said several times, this case will not be tried in 2026. and she urged him to give her an alternative proposal. another trial date that would still give him enough time to prepare, and

joining us right now is nbc's justice correspondent ken dilanian, blayne alexander in atlanta, and greg bluestein is a political reporter for the "atlanta journal constitution." christy greenberg is a former federal prosecutor. good to see you all. blayne, first walk us through the arguments in atlanta today. i understand we're also learning more details about the arraignments. >> reporter: yeah, lindsey. that's where i'll start. that is breaking news. we have an arraignment that is on the calendar for former president donald trump, september 6th at 9:30 a.m. that is what has been entered. of course, there are still a number of questions around this. would he appear in person? would he appear virtually? would he wave his appearance altogether? we don't know. we do know that has now appeared on the docket. there's a date set for rudy giuliani at 9:45 on ha same day, and the others to follow after that. certainly that's what we're watching and that is the backdrop that we're now seeing this hearing in federal court get under way, set to start at 10:00 a.m. mark meadows, the former white h

we want to bring with nbc's ken dilanian. you're reporting on it and the question of whether or not president trump will actually show up in person. what can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, sources familiar with the matter tells that you mr. trump will be at the courthouse in person for the arraignment as his lawyers will scomber a plea. the charges will be presented to him, this is 4:00 p.m. in front of a magistrate judge. we sort of saw the script for this in miami. it's not an eventful hearing but it's symbolically important because he'll be appearing in a courthouse less than two miles where he used to live in the white house. and another person who may be there, special counsel jack smith. mr. smith made an appearance after the indictment was issued yesterday and gave a statement to the news media. take a listen to what he had to say. >> since the attack on our capitol, the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. in this case, m

back with me with his exclusive reporting is ken dilanian. this is a wild story, ken.-old arranged a sexual encounter with a woman in seattle then posed as a police officer and detained her. he then drove her hundreds of miles to his home in portland where he put her in his garage. he lived there by the way with his domestic partner and children. stephanie sharp from the fbi told me what happened next. >> so this woman at some point realized that this was not legitimate and that her life was in danger. she spent upwards of several hours beating down the cell, which you have photos of in the complaint which consisted of obviously the cinder block walls but also some dry wall and a metal gate with screen meshed over that. she just kept beating any piece of that cell that she could until she was able to break free and run for help across the street. >> and sharp said her courage may have saved many other women. >> and they're wondering if more women may be out there. how are they going about investigating that? >> they say as you said, he's now linked to at least three ad

ken dilanian has some information. former president of the united states, has been indicted on four counts in relation to the attempt to overturn our election. ken. >> reporter: that's right. donald trump, the 45th president of the united states, has been indicted by a grand jury in washington, d.c., on four criminal counts. i haven't been able to read it yet. i saw the cover sheet and it includes obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the united states. more as we get it, we will dig into it. but donald trump has been indicted tonight by a grand jury in washington, d.c., in this long-running investigation about efforts to attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election. >> so, drew wiseman, two and a half years after that day, january 20th, we now have an indictment against the president. these charges as we learn more about them, we know two obstruction and conspiracy to defraud the government of the united states. your initial reaction to those two as we continue to work through the oth

joining me now, garrett haake, ken dilanian and former u.s. attorney harry litman. ett, you were in the courtroom. ken, you were in the overflow room. you were both witnesses to everything that unfolded. garrett, first to you. you were there. give us a sense of what it was like to be sitting in that courtroom, watch donald trump, former president coming in, how confident was? the lawyers, the magistrate judge, all of it. >> it was a strange combination between feeling historic and totally mundane. there were members of the public. there were multiple judges who had come in some cases with their family to watch the proceedings. you could tell it was history they wanted to be a part of. the proceedings were perfunctory. it felt like any other defendant other than the fact that it was the most famous and one of the most powerful people in the world who was in the chair. as for donald trump, i have been in the courtroom for all three of his arraignments. this time, he is getting more comfortable with this. he is used to the process. he understands when to stand and when

let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian.terview with the fbi supervisor in charge of this case. why do they think there are more victims in more states? >> the fbi has determined that zuberi lived in at least ten states. they believe there may be many more victims. he targeted sex workers who may be reluctant to come forward. they also found some writings in his house indicated he targeted woman without close friends or family to avoid an investigation. take a listen to stephanie shark, the special agent in charge of the portland office. >> he had a tendency to target people who wouldn't come forward, and he exercised fear in order to keep people silent and now that he's in custody, we're really trying to help these victims rewrite their stories so that they can come forward and be truthful with what they experienced without fear. >> the fbi says zuberi went by aliases including sakima, justin hyche and justin kouassi and asking anyone with information to call 1-800-call-fbi. nbc news reached out to his lawyer but didn't hea

joining us now nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian and tali farhadian weinstein former federal and state are prosecutor in new york. she is also an msnbc legal analyst. so ken, what are we expecting today? >> good morning, jose. we expect donald trump's lawyers to argue for a less restrictive protective order in this case after one of them said this weekend that the public is entitled to see some of the evidence as long as it isn't sensitive. the justice department wants an order forbidding mr. trump from making public any evidence turned over in discovery, and as you said, doj lawyers pointedly noted in that filing friday night that mr. trump has a habit of attacking witnesses, prosecutors, judges on social media, and they cited that truth social post where they said if you come after me, i'm coming after you. the judge can rule anytime after she receives the response from trump lawyers, and that could be as soon as tonight. it will be interesting in this first ruling from the judge to see what she says having come under attack herself from mr. trump. he says he

nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins us this morning. rning. do the comments hunter biden's attorneys make in this new filing suggest that the case could end up indeed going to trial? >> good morning, jose, absolutely that's a possibility. at this point not an inevitability, though. one of hunter biden's lawyers went on the sunday show and said they would still like to craft a plea deal here, especially given the fact that we have evidence from some of these alleged whistle-blowers who investigated the case that there are potential felony charges on the table for hunter biden if the justice department decides to bring the full weight here. now, we don't know what exactly -- whether there are significant defenses to those charges, but it's possible that the justice department could come in with a much more significant set of charges, and that's the reason that there's an incentive for hunter biden and his lawyers to continue to try to cut a deal, but right now they're at an impasse, and in fact, biden's lawyers argued in this latest filing

also with us is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian along with joyce vance, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. so ken, what can we expect from today's court hearing? and explain why the former president was able to just waive his appearance. >> former president trump has been able to waive his appearance because he's already been arraigned in this case. this is a superseding indictment. he's not required to appear to answer these latest charges. but the new co-defendant, carlos de oliveira is required to appear. walt nauta also expected to be there. if it does go forward, it's a very standard, pro forma, routine kind of thing. we wouldn't be expected to learn much new about this case, which is a pretty dramatic expansion of the obstruction of justice charges in the classified documents cases. but it's possible judge aileen cannon may address some of the other issues she's been raising lately including she criticized the special counsel and asked questions about a grand jury that it was using down here in d.c. to continue to investigate aspects

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nbc's ken dilanian is following that. and also, this push to have one of his trials delayed until 2026. what can you tell us, ken? >> chris, it appears to be a rare instance of donald trump taking the legal advice that his lawyers are giving to him. no doubt they told him that it would be absolutely insane for him to get up in public and discuss what he calls irrefutable and overwhelming evidence of fraud in georgia, but which most people who have looked at the evidence say doesn't exist, because if he did that, the prosecutor in fulton county, and perhaps jack smith in washington would argue that these are overt acts in furtherance of the very conspiracies that they have charged him with. they have charged him with lying about fraud and taking other action to perpetrate the fraud. what his lawyers are saying to do is to put the information in filings. it will be interesting to see exactly what they do file and as for the argument over when the d.c. trial on this election suppression, conspiracy alleged takes place. as you

joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. memo. "new york times" publishes from ken cheeseboro, nbc news has not independently verified the memo. walk through what we see from the "new york times." >> it appears to be the original document sort of describing the false elector plan. he acknowledges that he was proposing the bold and controversial strategy that he said the supreme court likely would reject in the end. the memo argued that vice president pence should take the position that it was his constitutional power and duty alone as president of the senate to both open and count the votes on january 6th, and also had this amazing line, it's important that the alternate slates of electors beat and vote on december 14th if we're to create a scenario under which biden can be prevented from reaching 270 electoral votes. look, there's also some sort of covering language that says we should only go forward with this plan if there's a reasonable likelihood that lawsuits showing fraud are going to succeed, but what jack smith has

. >> joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. betsy woodruff swann of politico and msnbc contributor. charles coleman, former new york prosecutor. and glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor. charles and glen are msnbc legal analysts. so, ken, the former president is set to be arraigned tomorrow. what is that going to look like? >> good morning, jose. in one sense we can expect it to look a lot like the arraignment that happened down in miami. a lot of drama around the process, but in the event, actually pretty staid and boring and pro forma and donald trump doesn't say much in the courtroom. but this one may be a little different because it is happening here in washington, d.c. in the federal courthouse, just 1.7 miles from where donald trump used to live in the white house. and it involves conduct for first time in a criminal case it involves conduct at issue while donald trump was the president of the united states. so it is a historic and sweeping and detailed 45-page indictment that as you said alleged that donald trump eng

nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian is in washington, and nbc's julie jesters in new hampshire for us. ken, let's start with you. you were outside the courthouse as this arraignment was happening yesterday. the judge gave a somewhat president. themer what did she and what are the steps in this case? >> reporter: as she was instructing mr. trump on the conditions of his release, she told him he couldn't commit any crimes, obviously, while free, she also made a point of saying that it was a crime to bribe or intimidate or threaten both a juror and a witness in this case. which is not a normal, typical admonition given to a defendant in washington, d.c. and it really did set a tone, setting the stage for potential controvers over mr. trump's comments attacking prosecutors and judges on social media. as for what's next, there are two important dates coming up, august 10th, each side has to submit a brief, describing how long they think this case would take to try, and when they think it would go to trial, and then there will be a hearing on august 28th, during whi

nbc's ken dilanian is following all of that for us. walk us through this very crowded calendar, ken. >> yeah, at this point, chris, donald trump's most important legal strategy is to seek delays in all of these cases any way he can because if he's elected president, it's possible that none of them can move forward. he could order his justice department to drop the federal cases, and it's official doj policy that a sitting president can't be prosecuted and that would include state cases. in the atlanta case, he's making clear that he will try to slow things down. his lawyer filed a motion telling the judge that mr. trump wants no part of the bid by one of his codefendants to have the trial in october. he will ask to sever his case from that defendant, kenneth chesebro and any other defendant who makes such a demand. given the number of defendants in the atlanta case it may take a while to get that one to trial, especially because it will be competing against three other cases against mr. trump, all of which have a head start. the new yor

correspondent, garrett haake who's in atlanta for us, and nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. let's start with the federal case. and this woman who was arrested in texas, threats towards judge chutkan. ken, what can you tell us about what her lawyers have said about this? >> katy, first of all, judge chutkan got a security detail immediately after she was named the judge in this case, and now we know why. in this case in texas, abigail jo schry, 33 years old, in a town south of houston, admitted to making this call to the judge's chambers on august 5th, in which she said, among others things, including what you said, hey you stupid slave and used the n-word, and allegedly said you are in our sights, we want to kill you. if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, tread lightly, and used the b word. really vile stuff. we learned through court records she had been arrested four times previously for making threats and told the department of homeland security agents that she didn't intend o carry out the threats, and one of her relatives told authorities that she tends to get drunk and

in this case the court is giving great deference to these defendants. >> ken dilanian, carol leonnig charles coleman, thank you all very much. tim miller, we're going to see you again in just a bit. >>> president biden is wrapping up his time out west set to speak in salt lake city in just a few minutes to mark the one-year anniversary of legislation that extends benefits to military veterans harmed by exposure to burn pits. we'll have those remarks for you live. >>> plus, less than two weeks to go, if you can believe it, until the first republican primary debate. how donald trump's refusal to sign his party's loyalty pledge will affect that debate and the race for the white house potentially. you're watching "chris jansing reports." only on msnbc. msnbc that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! i remember when i first started flying, and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants. if they're not nervous, then i'm not going to be nervous. financially, i'm the

we're going to begin our coverage with ken dilanian. that all 19 people have surrendered, what happens? >> the pretrial maneuvering begins in earnest, and it's going to be heated. so on monday there is a hearing during which mark mdo will argue that his part of the case should be removed to federal court on the grounds that he was acting as a federal official at the time, but then there's going to be other arguments about scheduling. defendant kenneth chesebro has already asked that he get a speedy trial. the judge has already said, okay, we can set that date for as early as october, but donald trump is arguing, no thanks, he's not interested in a speedy trial in this case. his lawyer instructed the judge that he would like to file a motion to sever donald trump from the rest of the defendants. all of this is happening as the other cases against donald trump and others are winding their way through the courts, one in washington, one in florida, one in new york. so this atlanta case is going to have to compete for calendar time with thos

ken dilanian, thank you for that. let's go to nbc's maggie vespa on the ground in perry, florida, where the cleanup from idalia is getting underway. what have you been seeing since you've been there? >> reporter: yeah, chris, this phase in cleanup, recovery efforts like this is a bit surreal. it's just beginning. life is getting back to normal a little bit. traffic is moving. traffic lights, though, running on generators, and people are driving right by scenes like this. you can see basically this sort of portion of what was a store is now just a mangled mess of like sheet metal and pieces of the building. here basically on perry's main street, lots of big machinery to kind of help move wreckage around. the other big issue is fallen trees. more than 100,000 people across the state of florida still without power as of the last update this morning from the governor. similar story in georgia, close to 50,000 without power in the carolinas, the big issue was wind and downed trees. we talked to a woman named debra mims. sh

ken dilanian. joining me now is former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade and joyce vance. i want to start with what we began with, and that is this protective order. barbara, i'll begin with you. i mentioned that it could get hairy, the discovery process. ken was saying this is a routine, normally a routine issuance, it's not a big deal to get a protective order. why could it get hairy in this situation? >> well, as we can see, donald trump is going to fight everything tooth and nail. it is routine because what they want to turn over are all of the witness statements, so in order to be disclosed into the world, you could imagine that people who have testified against donald trump could find themselves being harassed or threatened by members of the public. donald trump is going to push hard on everything. and even if he doesn't get his way, the eventual delay in his trial, seems to be his game, fight everything, delay everything, concede no ground. >> i lost you for a couple of moments in that answer there. the connection went bad, so i'll ask joyce you the same question. i

correspondent garrett haake from atlanta for us, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilaniann, new york, prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. ken, threats against judges have escalated into real harm. the killing of a son of u.s. district judge salas, another man arrested with a knife and a gun last year near the house of justice brett kavanaugh what do we know about this threat against judge chutkan? >> according to court papers, jose, abigail jo shry, 33, lives in alvin, texas, south of houston, called the chambers of judge chutkan after hours one evening and made this racist threat. called her a stupid slave and the n word and then said we are coming to kill you. essentially. and if donald trump is not elected, you will be targeted. the department of homeland security took this very seriously. went to pay her a visit. she acknowledged making a threat. she said she didn't intend to act on those threats, but nonetheless, she's now charged and it emerged in the court proceedings against her that she had been previously arrested four times for making similar kinds of threats. i

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write an opinion for months and months and there's no deadline for any of this. >> laura jarrett, ken dilanian, thank you very much. joining me is former dekalb county district attorney and coauthor of the brookings institution, gwen keys fleming. it's good to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> you know, fani willis wants march 4th, which is just over six months if i'm doing my math in my head correctly, the judge is going to have discretion over when this happens. this is a brand new judge that's getting the case. he's been on the bench for six month, and that is a giant case. can we read into him at all? do we know anything about him? >> you're right. this is a quite a case to cut your teeth on within your first year as a judge. judge mcafee has been a public servant for a long time. he served as a prosecutor, and fo doubt encountered several judges to learn from in how to manage his docket, moves cases along, ensure justice is served and served in an expeditious fashion, and so i think we can expect him to take the reins and move things forward. with respect to the proposed march deadlin

also with us, ken dilanian, barbara mcquaid and patricia murphy for the atlanta journal constitution. thank you for being with us. many of you got very little sleep. blayne, you had a long night, long day. walk us through what happened and what else is inside this nearly 100-page indictment. >> reporter: well, there is a lot inside. i think we heard the term sprawling indictment a lot over the past 24 hours. but that's exactly what this is. we're talking about 41 counts, 19 defendants, and in addition to the former president, that's the top of the list, that's really the headline. but there are a number of other high profile individuals that were part of the former president's inner circle. of course, we're talking about his former chief of staff mark meadows, we're talking about his attorney rudy giuliani, jeffrey clark, a former top doj official and some names that you might not know that the majority of people may not be familiar with. david shaffer, the former head of georgia's republican party and one of georgia's 16 fake electors. all of them, however, they're facing a number of

let's bring in msnbc's ken dilanian, what do we know about mark meadows and jeffrey clark. >> chris, both have had bonds set for them at $100,000, and that came after a federal judge blocked separate requests by both men for an emergency stay to prevent their arrests in this case on the grounds that their prosecution should be removed to federal court. now, the question of removal has not yet been decided but the judge declined to grant their emergency request to block their arrests so they will have to go forward with the booking process like everyone else, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that. >>> meantime, security ramping up ahead of donald trump's surrender in georgia. nbc's gabe gutierrez is following that piece of it, hey, gabe. >> reporter: hey, there, chris, over the last few hours, we have had a ramped up security presence here outside of the fulton county jail. several dozen trump supporters have been out here. nothing unruly at this point, but local officials aren't taking any chances. they set up extra barricades over the last couple of hours. we have seen this ent

. >> i want to bring in ken dilanian. garrett haake is following the case from d.c. carol lamb, a former federal prosecutor and andrew weissmann was a senior member of the mueller probe. both carol and andrew are msnbc legal analysts. ken, give us an example of what we've been able to glean from this indictment and how it sets the stage for tomorrow's indictment. >> reporter: chris, in many ways it's an incredibly detailed, thorough narrative. but in other ways it's quite a narrowly focused legal case when you consider the scope of the conduct involved. former president trump is not charged with verks, inciting the riot or directly causing the violence. jack smith and his team makes the point in the indictment that he exploited the violence while it was unfolding including by calling senators and members of congress and urging them to delay that certification of january 6th and did nothing to stop the violence. it's related to the violence but not directly alleging a nexus to the violence. that may be as a way of making sure this case gets to trial more quickly as was

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. >> joining us now, nbc's ken dilanian and back with us barbara mcquade.harged, and now we see eight. >> yeah, ana, it's historic. historians and legal scholars will be studying this case for years. this was essentially a conspiracy, an alleged conspiracy involving the legal system to subvert the political system, and it required lawyers in order to make -- to make it work in terms of bringing these allegedly bogus claims into court and then trying to subvert the lawful transfer of power with a false elector scheme and other kinds of schemes. and what is so remarkable about these -- this group of lawyers is that they were -- some of them were quite prominent. in addition to rudy giuliani, well respected people in their fields for years before they suddenly turn and adopted these bizarre theories that have now land them in legal trouble. i mean, even jeffrey clark, for example, who has gotten a lot of ridicule, lower level environmental justice department official, he went to harvard, he graduated from georgetown law. people are asking what happened to thes

. >> our thanks to ken dilanian for that report. >> reporter: new fallout for the virginia mother of the 6-year-old who shot his teacher. deja taylor pleaded guilty to felony child neglect which carries a maximum prison sentence of up to five years her attorney saying she feels responsible for what happened. taylor had previously pleaded guilty to using marijuana while possession a firearm the injured teacher has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the school district for failing to act on warnings that the boy had a gun. newport news public school said that it cannot comment on legal actions. >>> now to yet another twist in the deadly shooting on the "rust" movie set alec baldwin may once again face involuntary manslaughter charges after a new report reports that it would only fire if the trigger was pulled the gun fired killing halyna hutchins in october of 2021. the film's armorer was charged with involuntary manslaughter and evidence tampering the special prosecutor on the case said a decision on whether to re-file charges on baldwin is forthcoming. >>> and ji angie is tracking p

joining us now nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, i would think as the indictments rack up, now with the georgia one and donald trump having his press conference on monday and putting out his own opinions as to what's happening to him and naming names in these indictments doesn't, i would think some would argue this doesn't help the situation in terms of the safety of our judges and juries and other people trying to uphold the law. >> of course, mika, you're absolutely right. you know, the day after judge tanya chutkan was named, reporters noticed she was accompanied everywhere she went inside the federal courthouse in washington, d.c. by a security detail which was a new development and now we know why she needed that security detail. the woman's name who's been charged is abigail jo shry, she's 43 and lives in a town south of houston. and i don't think we should shy away from letting people know exactly how vile the threats made -- in a phone call to judge chutkan's chambers were and began with, hey you stupid slave "n" word an

i want to go back to what ken dilanian laid out in his piece. what happens to chutkan?otective order is granted and then trump does not comply? >> well, when you become a judge, i was a judge for a couple of years, when you become a judge, one thing is really drilled into you, you can't just bang your gavel and say you're in contempt, you violated my order, you're going to jail. as in all things with the law, there is a process that has to take place. a defendant has a due process right to be fully informed and warned about what could lead to his being found in contempt of court or to have violated a court order. so if it gets to that point, which judge chutkan will do, she will warn him. she will make clear that he understands the conditions of any order she states, there are other possibilities. she, for example, might say well, before you post anything on social media, you have to run it by your lawyers. now that's a little bit untested. it happened to elon musk in a civil case, and it wasn't really contested because he agreed to it in a civil settlement. but there m

let's bring in justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, obviously, the headline is the mug shot, the booking, the surrendering, but what's next? what are the legal maneuvers next? what are the dates to look for, and what exactly is this former president facing, especially with all the other different trials and indictments that he is dealing with? but in fulton county, there are so many different co-defendants, so many different mug shots, so many different screaming headlines. but as joe points out, what's the main issue here facing this former president? >> well, the main issue is, to joe's point, the avalanche of criminal charges, the dizzying array of proceedings. it's hard for people to get their arms around this. most of us have never been defendants in a single white collar criminal indictment, let alone four. these cases, they take a lot of mental energy to devote to defending oneself, even if you're not devoting substantial time to your own defense. you have to be in courtrooms. even though the co-defendant, cheseboro, asked f

nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian is here. former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. attorney and contributing columnist at the "washington post," george conway, and nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. >> ken dilanian, set it up for us. >> joe, you set it up very well. what's so remarkable about this indictment is it starts off, as you said, with jack smith acknowledging that donald trump not only had the right to claim fraud and the election, he had the right to lie about it. the first amendment right to lie. but not to launch a campaign of what smith called pervasive and destabilizing lies and then act on it. that crossed the line into criminal conspiracy, and the indictment charges three separate conspiracies, conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct that official proceeding on january 6 and conspiracy to deprive voters of their rights in those seven states. there wasn't a lot of reporting on this along the way, i was wondering whether they would charge, and they did, the plot t

attorney barbara mcquaid and nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. good morning to you both. ken, i'll start with you about this bond deal for the former president with the fulton county district attorney fani willis. $200,000, twice the other defendants, but also, more specifically, ken, these rules set out about threats. the cost of threats to donald trump if he goes after a co-defendant, if he goes after a witness, if he tampers with the jury, on and on down the list. what'd you make of this? how unusual are some of these conditions of bond? >> well, willie, what we know is that we didn't see those conditions imposed on any of the other co-defendants so far. it was really striking. i mean, other judges in some of these other cases have verbally conveyed to donald trump or his lawyers that he shouldn't threaten or try to intimidate witnesses or potential jurors. this lays it out in black and white, in very clear terms. he's not allowed to threaten or intimidate co-defendants, witnesses, potential jurors or really anybody else, and specifically, it

thank you for starting us off in new hampshire let's bring in our panel, justice correspondent ken dilanian, former federal prosecutor paul butler. ken, starting with you, let's talk about the d.c. case. describe the protective order, what is normal in the circuit? i heard chuck rosenberg saying this morning in all of his cases, he always had a protect order and it's usually agreed to at arraignment by the defense. >> that's right, paul can speak to this as well, this is standard procedure in a criminal trial because there's a lot of sensitive information that the prosecution must turn over to the defense, including transcripts of witness interviews, phone records, text messages, things taken under subpoena or search warrant. and the judge does not want the defense making it public. and in this case, donald trump and his lawyers are asking for essentially permission to make some of that information public. and jack smith responding in a filing saying, look, they just want to try their case in the media. not only should you not ale allow it, judge, but local d.c. criminal rules don't like-a

justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. we also pulled over founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, charlie psyc sykes froy too early". >> i want to talk to charlie, but, ken, we have a confused judge this morning. confused two grand juries could be going at the same time. baffling decisions coming out of a judge who has already been excoriated by the 11th circuit in previous cases for being out of her depth. can you explain what happened with those fort pierce filings? >> well, in her latest order, judge cannon is essentially -- first of all, she granted the government's request to have a hearing on whether walt nauta's lawyer, stanley woodoodward, ha conflict of interest that needs to be explored, because he is representing walt nauta and other witnesses in the case that he may have to cross-examine. she denied the special counsel's effort to file part of something under seal, saying he didn't justify that. then she questioned why he was using two grand juries to continue to investigate whether there had been obs

i want to bring in garrett haake, jackie alamani and ken dilanian.sident trump releasing attacks. this morning, he has been quiet. >> a bunch of re-posts this morning. nothing new this morning. trump world appears to be in a ready posture right now. i have talked to a couple people in and around the trump orbit who are anticipating something today. they operating on the same limited amount of information we have. they had a meeting between mr. trump's attorneys and the special counsel's office last thursday that got overshadowed by the superseding indictment in the documents case. nothing in that meeting shook their broader belief that an indictment is coming. it's a matter of when. they and their allies have statements drafted, talking points ready to go. they have long expected he would be indicted in this case, whether it's this week or next week, sort of immaterial. >> it could be today. this is, for them, certainly a hold your breath moment. jack smith's low profile through the investigations has made him a top political target for trump and his

we are joined by ken dilanian, and now, this is not the first time that de oliveira has not shown upe and there was a florida lawyer in the courtroom, and they said they could get it done. >> and they are accused of conspiring to destroy tapes requested by the grand jury. so a major escalation in that case. >> so, what is next between the sgjt the new york indictment scheduled, and these are the same lawyers as donald trump, and it is going to be a scheduled and all of these defendants are going to be in court when he get to your face jurnlgt and so, there was a fine for not complying to the warrant. the company had rejected to the noncompliance warrant, but mr. trump said it violated his civil rights. the court was looking for offenses of civil president who was >> i and he has plead not guilty in nine different cases. >>> and now, the schemes were the last and he has pleaded not guilty with the real one. and there was attempts to overturn those charges, but so far, nothing has been overturned. mr. brewster is out there facing, and could this face be and this is when a similar seem

the overflow room, we will be able to get those notes from our team inside of there, including ken dilanian and daniel barnes. ken, our chief justice correspondent, who has covered this so closely, and we'll get those to our email and relay them right away. as far as the process for the former president, it's like anybody else in this country who is charged with a federal crime. the idea here is to have a first appearance in the judicial system to notify somebody that they have in fact been indicted. either on a complaint or an indictment. then from there, to advise them of their rights. to advise them they have a right to an attorney. do they have an attorney? does an attorney need to be appointed? i understand that kind of sounds kind of silly given the amount of attention brought to this case and this specific indictment, but it is a part of the judicial process. the president will be advised of his rights. then from there, there will be an opportunity to read in the indictment that is typically waived. so sometimes the judge says, would you like to have the charges read back to you or t

nbc's ken dilanian and former analyst lisa rubin. good morning to you all. let's dive right now as we begin with a start date now set for donald trump's federal election interference trial. district court judge tanya chutkan ordered jury selection to begin on march 4th of next year. that's just one day before super tuesday. prosecutors had asked for the trial to begin in early january of next year, while trump's lawyers proposed it begin in april of 2026. yesterday, judge chutkan said neither of those dates were acceptable, but, quote, this case is not going to trial in 2026. that decision was met with pushback inside the courtroom from trump attorney john lauro, who was cautioned twice by the judge to turn down the temperature when he was speaking. lauro claimed it was the violation of the oath to do justice that the former president be tried so soon, arguing he would not have time to prepare his client's defense. judge chutkan dismissed the concerns, noting that trump has been aware since last year that he was the focus of jack smith's investigation and co

nbc's ken dilanian has more now for us. ken, this seems to be a significant development. >> good morning, ana, it absolutely is, this filing by special counsel jack smith confirming what we suspected when the superseding indictment was issued last month, which was that he was cooperating. hiss testimony was described in the superseding indictment implicating donald trump and co-defendants walt nauta and mr. de oliveira, but now we know from the special counsel's words in a court filing that what happened was when he was being represented by a lawyer who was being paid by the trump organization, he lied to the grand jury. that's what they're alleging. but then when he got a federal public defender he changed his story and confirmed that mr. trump was discussing with his employees destroying surveillance footage that was under a grand jury subpoena, which the special counsel says was obstruction of justice. what's so significant about this is that the co-defendants in this case, walt nauta and carlos de oliveira are in the sam

let's get right to it with ken dilanian. you walk us through what these new regulations will do? >> yeah, proposed regulation based on new language in the bipartisan safer communities act which was passed in response to uvalde shooting a year ago and it changed the definition of what constitutes being a gun dealer in the united states, and so based on the that new language the atf is proposing a rule that would essentially close the gun show loophole, right now the atf regulates about 80,000 brick and mortar gun dealers, licenses them and when you buy a gun there you have to get a federal background check, but another gub dealers who operate at gun shows and online marketplaces, who don't require background checks for those who purchase guns. this new rule would try to close that loophole by expanding the definition of who is a gun dealer and encompassing these people who sell guns at gun shows and online. more m people subjected to background checks when they go to purchase guns. it's likely to be challenged by second amend