congress and this is where it gets really nasty, they say this is totally, that the attacks on ken griffincessarily from the reddit crowd but as being taken up by gary gensler whose looking at this whole meme stock frenzy and whether griffin and citadel did anything wrong in payment for order flow, that is being investigated, that it's purely political motivated because ken griffin is one of the top republican donations out there and that somehow this is their conspiracy theory so it makes a little more rational sense that the attacks on griffin is coming from elizabeth warren who wants basically to neuter a major republican donor, you know, as the mid-terms come up, so this has got so many legs and tentacles, ashley, it's not just crazy stuff on reddit. there's a political element, there's gary gensler versus republicans in congress talking about this political element, there's a notion of whether payment for order flow is good most people say trading has never been cheaper and more efficient for the average investor gary gensler think there's something wrong with payment for order flow.

ken griffin lied has been tweeted a 150,000 times. the company, citadel responding. of their own tweets. they stated they didn't ask robinhood to limit trading activity on gamestop or other names. they said ken griffin did not meet with vlad tenev. why are the issues so important for the apes? >> charles, always a pleasure to be back on. it is important because these are the things the apes were talking about back in january when all the shenanigans took place took away buy button with citadel and robinhood. you had big players, for instance, rich greenfield, jim cramer by the way got 5,000-dollar donation charity of choice to argue the short position against the apes on my channel telling us we're wrong. we haven't been. as far as i can see the plain proof, leaked documents from the robinhood the whole time the apes were right. that is important. it means what getting somewhere. charles: but you don't expect citadel to come out to say anything more? i mean so they're saying that ken and vlad never spoke. on january 2, citadel execute ad extraordinary 7.4 billion sha

they have pictures of, you know -- i interviewed ken griffin maybe, i don't know, ten years ago, i've of times but a picture of us standing next to each other, we both i think tried to look nice like we were being nice to each other in the picture and they send that around as if it's proof of some kind of conspiracy >> you could be sitting there with jeffrey epstein, so be glad it's ken griffin plenty of people smiling with epstein, like our buddy. >> who >> like bill gates, unfortunately was a little too close with ep seestein and has o of trouble explaining it at this point. the next thing, how do i know who pays me more, the people that want me to bash tesla or promote tesla? who's paying you more at this point, becky i don't know which to choose. >> nothing pip don't get paid on my twitter feed. >> antiripple. i don't know got to like, hey, whoever gets -- jack the price up. >> give your bank account number >> you get it from both sides. >> provide the wire instructions on twitter put the instructions out there. >> use bitcoin. >> yeah. tell them where to send it. >> this is going

. >> speak to this issue when we talked to ken griffin at citadel and virtue on the other side, bothpparently gary gensler does that your customers are not necessarily getting the best possible price they could. >> i think we're getting excellent prices for our customers. i think our execution quality statistics proof that out. i think you've heard doug cifu very convincingly and clearly show the numbers which clearly lay out that the price improvement for retail customers when using wholesale market makers is much better than you would get on exchanges again, i think the overwhelming evidence here is that the current market structure works well for retail investors. >> if you're right, why do you think gary gensler is not just putting it on the table but he has been pretty blunt about his view that there is a possibility that customers are not getting the, quote, best price best price is better than excellent price. that's a separate component of this the other issue on top of this is what kind of data, firms like citadel are really getting at how they may or may not be using that d