gale was talking about and in haiti, one of my favorite pictures is broadshaw, hillary clinton and ken keen who is the three-star general and sean penn. they talked about the private sector and brought a different look to the whole thing, but that was real and on the ground and it happened relatively quickly despite the failures and the missteps. i'm with gail. it's way from perfect, but it's always better than it was. >> i also think that the world hasn't stood still over these years, that many of the countries that are not the major players are contributing to development as well. the bricks, the brazils and turkeys and indias. they contribute to peace keeping and they send the troops in, and they have not only our own armed forces in the theaters, but side by side with others and there's a new

connecting and in haiti, for example, one of my favorite pictures is rod shaw, hillary clinton and ken keene who is the three-star general who was the military guy supporting those and sean penn talked about the private sector and bringing kind of a different look to the whole thing, but working together. that was real and on the ground and it happened relatively quickly, despite the frustrations and the failures and the missteps, so i'm with gayle. it's way from perfect, but it's -- it's also way better than it was. >> and i also think that the world hasn't stood still over these years, that many countries that are not the major

in haiti, one of my favorite pictures is hillary clinton as ken keene, the three-star general who was supporting them, and sean penn. bringing in the private sector. they were working together. that was real. it happens relatively quickly despite the frustrations and failures and the missteps. i'm with dale. it is way from perfect but it is also a way better than it was. >> i think that the world has not stood still over these years. many countries that are not the major players are contributing to development as well. brazil, turkey, india -- they contribute to peacekeeping. there is a multicultural dimension that not only has our own armed forces working in these theaters, but side-by-side with others. there's a new language of development that these countries are bringing. we know that you have to have security to move forward. but they are bringing the language of health, access to health. access to education. access to legitimate decision making. these are extremely important. 20 years ago, there was a study comparing rule of law in different countries in supply vs. demand. they