ken lewis said, i do not think it is appropriate to be talking about compensation. tavis: you talk about it openly in the book, i appreciate the fact that you admit that there were moments of hesitation or trepidation about walking in certain rooms knowing that you were going to be the only woman in the room. what was like being the only woman during this major crisis? >> you never know if it is about gender or something else. there was resistance throughout the crisis. i was always being invited to a meeting -- they had already made the decision what they were going to do. ben bernanke, i like and respect him. we had a good relationship. i was very disappointed -- we did talk from time to time. th tim, i never felt that was the case. i felt like they were off making decisions and asking me to comment to let me knowh w going on. young women asked me about this. you kind of drive yourself crazy wondering if it is about gender or not. understand that you were going to have to work harder and be better prepared. do not give up, you have the right to be heard and part o

ken lewis of bank of america, when asked about imputed interest rates, people got thoroughly confused, he won in congress. jamie dimon steps up to the plate and frames the question for her and answers it and holds jpmorgan up to a mixed score card. you can do the same thing at the auto industry and take a look at rick wagoner. the ceo makes a difference. there's a certain symbolic and it's intertwined. the intel role between the swim bollism and the substance of leader ship. and they can deliver that here. they can try to figure out a way, where jamie and i think james goreman, they have a lot of ability. this is not a role he was not trained for and it's obviously much better. >> thanks for weighing in on this issue. the secret sauce here and what's happened in the last few hours of citigroup. >>> up next the former treasury insider who's telling you what to watch for and making the call on which candidate will be better for your bottom line. lawrence goodman is up right after the break. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was socce

i will point out this stuff, there is difference between ken lewis buying the liabilities of countrywide en he bought them. no one really asked him to buy countrywide. he bought it. he thought i would build a massive mortgage empire with th, with that firm and difference between that and what went down with bear stearns. i can tell you this -- >> absolutely true. >> i wasn't in the room but i was pretty close. >> right. >> they asked him, they begged jamie dimon to do it. he could have walked away. that firm would have imploded. that would have created maybe what lehman created later on a financial collapse. melissa: we're out of time. i hope youoth come back and do the story again with us. it is not going abay obviously. this is only the beginning. we'll have aot of opportunity ahd to tk about it and fight over. thanks to both of you for coming on. >> thanks, melissa. melissa: gary johon didn't get invite to the presidential debate but accepted a invitation to come on o show. the libertarian presidential candidate with his handicap of the obama-romney dual. >>> plus a powerful coal mine

. >> ken lewis was the guy. or ken thompson.supposedly called it a home run and it turned into a horrific out. into a horrific o where, you know -- >> we were talking before the show about the idea that this was a wachovia deal. . >> yeah, by hands that feed. >> citigroup by sheila bair. >> wells did us a favor, didn't they? >> wells helped us. >> right. >> exactly like last week. does that make sense to you? >> i'm not sure how you can be held accountable for behavior for institutions that you really had no regulatory authority over. you didn't own, they weren't part of your business. >> they just want a couple hundred million. >> take -- >> right. >> help us. >> just it's a shake down, get couple hundred million dollars, right? >> well, you know, i think so, and i think it's, you know, it's got the desired effect, it's a front page. >> right. exactly. >> doesn't that go to this issue. to the extent that your constituents look at this. does it help -- to the extent the american psyche, the american public wants to see this, doe