. >> ken mccartney? >> as my right honorable friend noted that standard and poor's has changed the rating? in other words, the discredited policies -- >> the honorable general makes -- honorable all -- the honorable gentleman makes a good point. on top of your deficit, on top of your debts, and having a proper plan to deliver that. that is what has to happen. we also need to keep our interest rates low to make sure we deliver the growth our economy needs, and it is absolutely extraordinary that the leader of the house of commons is on television today, the shuttle leader, calling for higher interest rates. let me go and have a look at the transcripts. >> mr. speaker, in january, the first minister of north ireland talked about meeting the families of 10 innocent workmen murdered by the ira and the massacre of 1976. i think the prime minister has already met other families. can he assure me that he will meet these families of innocent victims? >> the kingsmills massacre was an appalling event. if it is po