i knocked out joe frazier, ken norton, all the guys who defeated him.but when i got in the ring with him i found out there was more presence than i was prepared for that night. the man was better than a boxer. he brought a crowd with him and they -- when you got in the ring with him, he was as tough a human being as i've ever faced in my life. >> i heard the whisper came in the sixth round. >> first time, as he fell on me i thought i hit him good. he fell on me. that all you got, george in show me something, and i remember thinking, oh, my, what is going on here? the fight was on. kept hitting him, but that's when he started fighting elm realized that muhammad didn't want to lose because he figured if he fell, other people would fall with him. he fought for more than just the world title and a purse, which for me, all i was boxing for was fame and fortune. he had more on his mind. >> it's my understanding he said to you, you are he strongest man he ever fought. >> i may have been the strongest man he ever fought but the sure did whip me good. i should h

then he destroyed ken norton in two rounds. the word "murderous" does not quite apply. this chump has got everybody scared. scared of what? nothing to be scared of. scared of what? how many fellows in here now picks george, be truthful, be men, tell truth. john, raise your hand. you got george? you got george? tell the truth. you, you, fellow. no pick? i just want to know. you got george? >> the time may have come to say good-bye to muhammed ali because very honestly i don't think he can beat george foreman. >> howard cosell, you told everybody i don't have a chance, you told them i don't have nothing but a prayer. well, chump, all i need is a prayer. because if that prayer reach the right man, not only will george foreman fall but mountains will fall. >> maybe he can pull off a miracle. but against george foreman? so young, so strong, so fearless? against george foreman, who does away with his opponents one after another in less than three rounds? it's hard for me to conjure with that. >> you're talking about muhammed, you're not the same man you were ten years ago, as

that's one time fierce rival george foreman remembering what muhammad ali told him about fighting ken norton would go on to beat norton apparently keeping his word. >> he certainly did. we're going to hear more from sports legends reflecting on ali coming up. >>> welcoming back sara haines this morning. >> sara who? >> sara haines. >> oh, sara haines. >> yes. >> there's alec. >> that is the little guy she joined the parenthood club and, sara, i know you were gracious enough to invite our cameras into your home. we'll look at your new life. how things have changed. >> oh, my gosh. >> welcome to motherhood. >> can we capture that in one not? >> all for the better in yes, all. >> putting the baby in the closet. very new york of you >> we had to travel with him -- yeah. >> he's starting to look like you. >> i'm so flattered. i never knew how good that felt. you guys know, but thank you. >> he is gorgeous. >> excited to talk about all this. and great to have you back. that is also coming up but we want to turn here first to a very different kind of story. new revelations in the 2014 murder of a p

then he destroyed ken norton in two rounds. the word "murderous" does not quite apply.s chump has got everybody scared. scared of what? nothing to be scared of. scared of what? how many fellows in here now picks george, be truthful, be men, tell truth. john, raise your hand. you got george? you got george? tell the truth. you, you, fellow. no pick? i just want to know. you got george? >> the time may have come to say good-bye to muhammed ali because very honestly i don't think he can beat george foreman. >> howard cosell, you told everybody i don't have a chance, you told them i don't have nothing but a prayer. well, chump, all i need is a prayer. because if that prayer reach the right man, not only will george foreman fall but mountains will fall. >> maybe he can pull off a miracle. but against george foreman? so young, so strong, so fearless? against george foreman, who does away with his opponents one after another in less than three rounds? it's hard for me to conjure with that. >> you're talking about muhammed, you're not the same man you were ten years ago, ask yo

i want you to come back to boxing and beat ken norton for me.t him up because i because i can't beat him. he was going to trick me back into boxing to get norton. then we became telephone friends and we visited and we became great friends. i realized that all those years i missed what everybody else had enjoyed. a relationship with muhammad ali. he was truly the greatest. he had poems, would get on the telephone with you. i think the best part of about muhammad ali american that that of being a great athlete or even a great boxer was his mere presence. we get into the ring, and you weren't fighting a boxer. you weren't fighting a slugger, you were having to contend with the presence of one of the greatest human beings that i ever met in my life. he was a great man. how do you fight a great man? because you don't hit him with a jab, you don't hit him way right hand am you have to hit him back with greatness. and i think that if you look for the best boxer, don't look to muhammad ali. if you look for the greatest puncher, don't look to muhammad al

he had to know he had not done nearly as well against two fighters particularly, joe frazier and ken nortonshed. >> down goes frazier. foreman is as poised as can be. >> foreman is going about his job. >> he had an overpowering intensity when he punched. foreman had won the championship by knocking joe frazier out. knocked him down something like seven times. >> this chump has got everybody scared. scared of what? >> nothing to be scared of. scared of what? >> how many fellows in here now be truthful, be men. john, raise your hand. you got george? tell the truth. you, fellow, you. >> the time may have come to say good-bye to muhammed ali because very honestly i don't think he can beat george foreman. >> howard cosell, you told everybody i don't have a chance, you told them i don't have nothing but a prayer. well chump all i need is a prayer. because if that prayer read the right man, not only will george foreman fall, but mountains will fall. >> against george foreman, so young, so strong, so fearless? against george foreman, who does away with his opponents one after another in less than t

he said, george, i want you to do me a favor, i want you to come back to boxing and beat ken norton for me. beat him up because i can't beat him, george. so he was going to trick me back into boxing just to get rid of nordon for him. from that point on, we became telephone friends and we visited and we became great friends. i realized that all those years i had missed what everybody else had enjoyed, a relationship with muhammad ali. he was truly the greatest. he had poems, he'd get on the telephone with you. he was interesting. make your heart beat fast. that's how exciting muhammad ali was. i think the best part of muhammad ali, more than that of being a great athlete, or even a great boxer, was his mere presence. he'd get into the ring and you weren't fighting a boxer. you weren't fighting a slugger. you were having to contend with the presence of one of the greatest human beings that i've ever met in my life. he was a great man. how do you fight a great man? because you don't hit him with a jab. you don't hit him with a right-hand. you've got to hit them back with greatness. and i t

i know i went to africa, i had beaten joe frazier pretty easily, ken norton, all the people who had beaten muhammad ali, so i thought this would be the easiest $5 million i was going to pick up. got into the ring muhammad, beat him up for the first three round and i knew i was going to knock him out. i hit him hard in the third round and he looked at me as if to say i'm not going to take this! and he said no way he's going to slug it out with me and i whaled on him. then the bell rang and he looked at me as if to say i made it! and i thought oh, my god, he made it and i knew i was in trouble then and the water had just gotten deep. and then around the sixth, seventh round he started whispering "is that all you got, george?" and believe me, it was scary because that was all i had. he hit me with a quick one-two, knocked me down to the canvas and my whole life changed. i was devastated. little did i know i would make the best friend i ever had in my life. that fight made it that way. >> how did that happen? help us understand how you would go for that moment -- go from that moment of being o

the ken nortons, george foremans, the joe fraziers, the sonny listons. amongst the best boxers that ever lived, all in that particular in the 19 70s, and people say even though marciano was 49-0 he didn't have that caliber of opponents. ali lost and came back three times. >> i remember the rumble in the jungle and the commentators were ripping into ali because he was on the ropes. that was his rope-a-dope strategy and nobody knew it and it was generous, he would dance and get away. norton and frazier only knew how to move forward so they were sifting ducks for the pair of george foreman. when he realized he could not dance he said i'm going to lean on the ropes. i'm going to let him punch himself out and then if you think about it, almost all these fights somehow were robbed by sylvester stallone in the rocky movie. remember stallone had speed and then observed the rematch and was able to go win. sonny liston was a little bit of clever language. so much that was stolen and put on the big screen. >> you have to wonder what that did muhammad ali. he is on

because he came back and beat frazier twice, ken norton. he had to win, like you. winning that title back. what's that like? once you've lost it? >> well for one thing people have to realize when you lose your first fight, your confidence can just drop. >> yeah. >> and you know, so it's -- you know, you got to think, it ain't been that many people did it, patterson the first guy to ever do it, too. of course ali the first person to do it three. the thing about all the years nobody could come back. you know, you know, somehow, if you lose, it's almost like you don't your confidence just fall. >> i'm thinking like patterson losing to ingmar johannson, but he had one good right-hand punch and he won that fight but he lost to frazier he said afterwards the guy beat me. i mean he really did beat him in that first fight and when he came back from being you know disallowed to go -- championship taken away by the government basically and how do you go back against the guy who actually does beat you? >> yeah just like me getting beat, i have to go back. but you know, i real

when i lost to ken norton and broke my jaw, he won. when i lost to spinks, he won.but i have peoplthinking that if i lose, i'll have so much shame in me. i'll jump out a window. see, my faith does not -- one of the things, really, i'm a spiritual man. >> reporter: but it's a way of life for you. it's money, it's an entourage, it's a feeling about yourself. >> i'd give it all up tomorrow, find a job pumping gas in a gas station if i had to and me and my wife and my children get a two-room apartment and one bathroom and one kitchen and be happy. >> reporter: really? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: what happens to all of the people around you? >> and be happy. >> reporter: what happens to the 50 people you take care of and support and are part of your world? >> no, no. i don't support 50 people. >> reporter: that's what i read in "the new york times." >> no. all great kings, and all great -- i'm a great man. i'm one of the world's greatest humans. so, i've got a crew, so what? you've got a crew. you're a tv lady. you've got a little crew, trucks all out here and wires all

you look at joe frazier and george foreman, but also the level below that, people like ron lyle, ken nortonernie the acorn, probably hit harder than any other boxer of his time. these were all people muhammad ali had to go through. so if you're talking about a golden age at least of the heavyweight division, he was right in the middle of it. >> charlie in the following order, i'm going to bring in mike and dave, who are champing at the bit to get in on this. >> mike? >> i was just thinking, as a fellow bostonian, ted williams, everybody always wondered how many home runs he would have hit, because of all the time he lost serving his country and think of how greater ali's legacy would be if he hadn't lost nearly four years because he elected not to serve his country. >> well, once again, one ever the great contradictions. but the difference between ted williams and muhammad ali is the difference in the wars they were confronted with. yeah, i don't know what those missing years would have been like. i do remember that right before it all hit the fan, "sports illustrated" ran this incredible s

joe frazier of course, and george foreman but also the level below that, people like ron lyle, ken nortonpeople like ernie the a corn shavers who probably hit harder than any other bomber of his time. these were all people muhammad ali had to go through. so if you're talking about a golden age at least of the heavyweight division, he was right in the middle of it. >> charlie in the following order, i'm going to bringing in mike lupika and dave who both are champing at the bit to get in on this. >> charlie, i was thinking as a fellow bostonian, ted williams, everybody wondered how many home runs he hit because of all the time he lost issing his country. think of how greater ali's legacy would be if he hasn't lost nearly four years because he elected not to serve his country. >> once again, one of the great contradictions. but you know, the difference between ted williams and muhammad ali is the difference in the wars they were confronted with. yeah, i don't know what those missing years would have been like. i do remember that right before it all hit the fan, "sports illustrated" ran this

he called and pleaded me to come back and beat ken norton for him.preacher now i can't come back. from that day forward there was a love affair that grew. he knew he needed him and i certainly needed him always. we loved one another. >> i'm curious and forgive the question, but what prevented you from being there today? >> i just couldn't make it there. you know what? that's a true friend of mine. a lot of times you can stop and enjoy those situations but i loved that man for a lot of years. i'm not able to go there. i'm not able to with stand that. i think you may find me on the ground with all the cameras looking at me, what is george lying out for. i don't want anybody to find me laying out fainted. >> how are you doing generally? you've gone on to great success as a businessman and entrepreneur. you can't watch cable for more than ten minutes without seeing george foreman. >> yeah, i'm having a good life. a great life. but it was always better when i could look to left and to the right and knew humuhammad ali w watching me and listening to what i

i said what is it and he said please come back and beat ken norton.e said i can beat him but you can george, he is afraid of you. he is asking me for a favor. he said i will give you a title shot. from that point we became close. >>> mohammed ali was once considered to be his greatest rival andy says olie was still sharp until the end despite his battle with parkinson's. >>> official death toll in paris has risen to four in the worst flooding in 50 years. munch of the capital remains underwater and that includes areas that surround tourist attractions. the flooding forced closures of downtown train stations but the floodwaters are receding and that follows days of heavy rainfall. the seine river climbed to 15 feet above average. >>> the world's largest hiv fundraiser underway. the lifecycle is a seven day bike ride from san francisco to los angeles. 2500 bicyclists are on their way to santa cruz for the first leg of the 545 mile ride. they hope to raise $16 million for the san francisco aids foundation. >>> a nice ice cream sundae as an incentive for

fighting there for the first time ever and this is in the forum where ali had fought in 1973 beating ken nortonin his hef any weight title championship. imagine that. his daughter hannah tweeted that i know my father's spirit is with you. she didn't make it to the fight, but afterwards kevin casey said it's nice, that he's going to be in the hospital for two days for dehydration. he showed that fighting spirit. >> that is strength. >> i would imagine ali would have told him to go to the fight. >> that's exactly what they said. >>> this morning, hillary clinton, she almost had democratic nomination locked up, some would say. bernie sanders would say, not so fast. he is vowing to take his fight all the way to, as he calls it, a contested convention. the wolf was huffing and puffing. like you do sometimes, grandpa? well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said... symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden sympt

technological pointy e people didn't think ali had an' chance because foreman had beaten joe frazier and ken norton powerhouses at the time and then ali came withndhe he >> not just obviously one ifuslo not the great of the fighterth of all time but greaterut g evident show man.t sh m >> my goodness. >> he brought like a whole likaw other just population popul environment into the world oft e boxing.boxi. >> yeah. >> you just had to see whatd they were going to say, howere y they were going to promote it. i >> it was must see tv. >> and then what actuallyat act happened in the ring.pp >> absolutely.>> he had all the poetry, all the leelyrics.ly he was a pioneer fighting forinr people's rights.ig it was so many differentif layers. >> fights all over the world.s . >> fights all over the world. law a fighter in and out of the ring and he was funny ands a he was a good lukey lookingey l dude. >> yeah, i was going say let's s not -- >> he will a lot going on. >> right. >> very well respected. ver that's why he's the people's peo champ. forever will be known as the people's champ may he rest in piece. pi

to just watch this man, his fights with ken norton, his fights with george foreman.ight with henry cooper, the first one, when he was on the floor. i was listening to it on the radio with my father. there was just something about muhammad ali completely. >> yeah. you were transfixed on him when he was in the room. kellie maloney, thank you for sharing your memories and your voice on this. >>> there are some great quotes by muhammad ali. some of them very profound. some of them very funny. remember float like a butter flu i, sting like a bee? muhammad all in his own words is what's coming up next. >>> also, he was more than a boxer. muhammad ali was the global sports icon in a way few others have ever been able to match. his influence on sports coming up next. >>> he was the self-proclaimed greatest. then, you know what? the world just followed suit, believing the same thing. but muhammad ali passed away overnight at the age of 74. >> the tributes, the kind words have been pouring in from all over the world. his death comes after a lengthy battle with parkinson's dise

and i bought, unbeknownst to me, a photograph of ali and frazier, and the shorts signed by ali, ken nortonhip fund for kids that could not go. and the next morning, we hear this. isn't that weird? unbelievable. his legacy is going to go on. >> this weekend, there was a big outdoor >> and kanye west was supposed to be the headliner. >> for the last night. >> for the last night, which was last night. big storms rolled through new york. they canceled it, wisely, because there's no way to get people off. >> safely. >> it would have gone from gov ball to mud ball. they canceled. word started to get out that there was going to be a surprised performance at webster hall. >> webster hall, in the middle of new york city. you have probably not seen it. a concert venue in a lot of locals go to. >> people start showing up. thousands of people packing the streets. >> kanye tweeted a little cryptic tweet, right? what did he tweet? >> something cryptic. >> show at 2:00 a.m., sold out. >> no one knew the show. >> but people somehow got clues. and at 1: there's no concert. go home. >> go home. >> at 2:00 a