history, for example, of the personal computer -- one of the biggest computer companies was headed by ken olsen. he says, the pc is just a toy. guess what happens? fachange happens whether you lie it or not. there is an opportunity for forward-thinking agencies and forward-thinking members of congress, 4-thinking government officials at all levels -- forward-thinking government officials at all levels -- to take this opportunity to cut costs by the government. when you look at cloud computing, you could literally save millions of dollars. we are in tight times. this morning, when i asked randy levin about the benefit of switching to cloud e-mail apps he said they save the $5 million. he said, we get to survive. we're surviving our budget crisis. there are so many opportunities in the cheap technology that has come onstream. we need to broaden our definitions to include some of these new product technologies. the cost of things that used to be very expensive are coming down radically. there is a huge opportunity for the government to take advantage of that. by designing programs correctly, you c