think in their eyes is the right thing for these women. >> so look, we know there's a reason that ken paxtongoing after this new york doctor. it's also an opportunity for them, much like they did on immigration, much like they did by busing immigrants to other states. they are trying to make the case. that there is something wrong with doctors from one state, taking care of patients from another. they know and we said this last year, and the last time this went to the supreme court. they know medication abortion is popular. they know it is very easy to access. that it is a back door. it is a way around abortion bans in red states. they have absolutely no interest in letting their constituents have access to this care from any place else. these doctors in places like new york and this doctor in particular, they are putting their careers on the line to take care of patients from other states. what i think is really interesting and a story that i would like our side to do a better job of telling. we'll be talking about it a lot in the coming year, is the success story of blue states. the fact t

medication abortion, there is also state level efforts like the one undertaken by texas attorney general ken paxtonuing a new york doctor for unlawfully providing abortion inducing drugs to texas residents which is in direct violation of state law. basically, this new york doctor is part of a group that mails abortion medication to women in red states who cannot access it themselves. there are shield laws in eight states that protect those doctors. from doing what they think is medically necessary for these women. but it does, you know, it is a challenge between effectively red states and blue states. red states saying that's not legal here. don't send the medications here. blue states saying this is what is in the best interest of women. what do you think happens to an effort like that? there is the chilling effect it could have on doctors who want to do what they think is the right thing for these women. >> it is the chilling effect. but it is also an opportunity for them much like they did on immigration and busing immigrants to other states. they are trying to make the case that something is wr

and, you know, i saw in the house some democrats pointing to ken paxton from texas as an example of someonet they wouldn't want having more leeway there. listen, we'll have to see if they open up the amendment process. republicans don't want to do that. so will that turn some of these democrats and give them a reason not to vote for it? yeah, i think that that that could happen. but how many eventually support the bill? i don't think we know that yet. >> jackie, big picture. how long do you think this may last, this sense among democrats that they need to perhaps approach donald trump in a different way? i mean, clearly, the results of the election were more clear in donald, more clearly in donald trump's favor than many of them anticipated that it would be. and we're not hearing as many people wanting to go out and call it the resistance 2.0 or something along those lines. but that said, you know, trump could overreach relatively quickly. >> well, i was going to say that i think it depends on the policy. we know that democrats or excuse me, the republicans are going to keep pushing democra