the guy's name is ken pollack, kenneth pollack. he authored this book you might remember, from 2002, the threatening storm, the case for invading iraq. ken pollack was a leading mouth piece for the bogus iraq weapons of mass destruction claim. the other part of his claim for why we should invade iraq was that invading iraq was going to be super easy and super cheap. listen to how this guy sold it. look. "in purely economic terms, it is unimaginable that the united states would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars." he said, "those who argue that the united states would inevitably become the target of unhappy iraqis generally also assume that the iraqi population would be hostile to u.s. forces from the outset. however, the best evidence we have suggests that the iraqi people would be pleased to be liberated." he was basically the captain of team wrong in 2002, ken pollack. but incredibly, today, "the new york times" goes back to him

fran, we talked to ken pollack earlier in the program who said you shouldn't overestimate the impactan iraqi operation. that being said, there is a foreign component here. it is very important. how concern ready u.s. intelligence officials about that sort of foreign legion as part of the isis contingent, and about the possibility of them returning to the united states and europe and sowing the seeds of terror? >> anderson, having spoken to lots of folks in the intelligence community at very senior levels, they emphasize that look, the numbers vary in terms of estimates of foreign fighters. anywhere from say about 11,000 to over 20,000 foreign fighters. that there is a real concern that this is the single greatest threat outside of sort of the core terrorism. you know, we often hear about al qaeda in the arabian pence, that will yemen group. but the focus right now is that this is a very real threat. we recently saw an american suicide bomber killed inside of syria. the worry is that these guys are difficult to track. they'll get experience. some of them will not be killed. they'll tr

general mark hurdling, charles blow, ken pollack, thanks to all of you.ppreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >>> while isis militants continue their deadly march across iraq, innocent families are left behind. cnn's michael holmes talks to one family who says they have lost everything, that's coming up. ♪ touch down... every morning... ten times! not just... now and then. once more on the rise... nuts to the flabby guys! go, you chicken fat, go away! go, you chicken fat, go! run, two, run (running) (like a tortoise) okay! (too far, and too slow.) now double up, ready! run two three four... (running) run two three four... (like a hare) run two three four... (now you are) run two three four... (getting there) run two three four... (go you) run two three four... (chicken fat,) everybody sing! (go away!) go, you chicken fat, go! go! go! go! dismissed! female announcer: don'save $300 on beautyrest and posturepedic. plus, pay no interest for 36 months on tempur-pedic and icomfort. sleep train's 4th of july sale is on now. ♪ your ticket to a better night's slee

ken pollack, recently returned from baghdad, was there in spring and met with u.s.raqi officials including maliki and served as cia military analyst and national security council under president clinton. >> thank you. >> you have a good sense of where maliki is. is he going to change and do the things now that he resistded for all of these years in terms of sunni rivals? >> i'm pretty pessimistic about it. when i saw him last, he was looking forward to a big electoral victory and didn't seem to want to use it to reach his opponents and wanted to do things his way. it was a ominous sign and everyone is right to ask this question, can maliki change? he's clearly a big part of the problem, the biggest part of the problem and the solution has to be a change in what's happen so far. >> what do we do now that maliki has iranian support on the ground? is this going to be a tug of war between the u.s. and iran over who has more influence on baghdad's government? >> for the moment we've got to recognize that our interest in a very narrow sense are aligned with iraq's interes

. >> ken pollack from brookings, thank you, sir. >> thank you, chuck. >>> coming up, wisconsin governor scott walker at the center of a criminal fund-raising probe. we'll get into the details of that. first a look ahead at today's politics planner. there's a house hearing under way on those lost irs e-mails. later this morning, president obama meets with new zealand's prime minister. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k) or you are ready for retirement, we'll help you get there. could help your business didavoid hours of delaynd test caused by slow internet from the phone company? that's enough time to record a memo. idea for sales giveaway. return a call. sign a contract. pick a tie. take a break with mr. duck. practice up for the business trip. fly to flori

pollack. director for persian gulf affairs at the national security council under president clinton. now he's a senior fellow at the brookings institution. so ken, given we're not occupying the country anymore, what can and should we be doing about this situation? >> well, first you guys are absolutely right, that we need to recognize that our options in iraq are limited. and we should think about it this way. iraq went into civil war in 2006. what we're seeing today is simply a revival of exactly that civil war. in 2007-2008 the u.s. polled iraq through a massive military effort combined with a huge diplomatic effort. that's effectively what it would take to do the same thing this time around, and we just don't have those resources there that we did have at that point in time. anything we do is going to have to be a lot more limited and it's going to have to rely on other actors to help us out in a way we didn't have to rely on them back in 2007. >> and ken, another thing is -- that's different from when we first invaded iraq is we are now much less dependent on foreign oil. does our increasing trend toward energy independence change some of t