sir ken robinson. he lights the room on fire with his fresh thinking on creativity.cation, and ants waited ants waited learning. from liverpool to los angeles he's on a mission to turn education upside down and inside out. ken, it's fabulous to have you here on the show talking about the most important topic that we could talk about and that's education, and it's interesting going through a lot of the work that you have done on education that you are not a reformist per se, but the notion of reform to you is the real change that needs to say not a evolution but a revolution in education. >> i think i tried. governments all around the world are reforming education but it's a slow process. and honestly doesn't seem to be working very well. we live in america for almost 11 years and score invites with no child left behind. the drop out rate has not improved. international comparisons are still very poor. and i think in almost every field. almost in any fields if it wasn't working you would stop and change. >> when you look at reform, do you look at it through the prism

ken robinson, a man that is a british educator also working on education concerns in the u.s. says we are now running national education systems where mistakes are the worst thing you can make and the result is we are educating people out of their creative capacities. what do you make of that in terms of kids being educated out of their creative capacities? >> i think there's any question about that. and there is a problem with the standardized tests. first of all, there's concerns about what exactly does it measure? all it measures is your ability to take a standardized test, but we have gotten into this because of a feeling there's no accountability in the schools. how do you measure what it is that the children are learning? and so we have defaulted to standardized tests. and now the teachers spend so much time teaching to the test that the children don't learn things like critical thinking. they are not able to do the kinds of thinking that they need now for the jobs that are available now. there is no job where you -- that adheres to the sorts of things you see on stang s

ken miamontlolo said his program would have difficulty beating a high school team, much less penn state. allen robinson top. fourth, put out a reach thanks to this, fumble by nate cokeland and mike hull emerges out of the pile with the pigskin and there he goes. 74 yards on the touchdown. penn state sinks navy 34-7. home opener for us ton -- towson hosting william and amar'e. flag day up on that at johnny u stadium but here come the tribe. jones 16 yards untouched. second quarter, tigers down 10-3. grant anders can't find anyone open, takes off scrambling, fumbles into the hands of spencer wilken just like they drew it up. tied at 10-10, third quarter, enders to aaron banks, look at the lean over the goal line for the touchdown. towson holds on for a 20-17c.a.a. victory. big day at john's hopkins, coach margraph looking for a win over mure avian. the 113 yards, three scores on the day. john's hopkins rolled to its 16th straight regular season win and jim margrav joins eddie hurt as the only coaches in state history to reach 150 wins. >> there's always great potential, john's hopkins, we are fortunate t