the stage, you know, to c-span, these guys are being held in solitary for dare to go protest at ken ross and we don't really know what's happening to them because, again, these institutions are public, we pay for them, they are ours and we don't have a clue what happens inside of them. >> the walls keep us out and some in. >> yeah. >> if there's any people that are interested in writing a question, please step over to microphone and while people are going over, i'm going to ask one more question and i might not be able to resist as i jump in the next couple of minutes, but historians and this was much more -- this is receded a little bit but there's a real charge against, i mean, if you call historian, if you call historian, that's a knife in the gut that are too involved in the current moment and that you're being too roped in contemporary world and i wonder if you can talk about book fest and how do you think of role of authors or historians or academic specifically in struggles for our own independent and varying visions for social change or social justice. do you think that that's so