well, my 1st guest tonight is ken roth, executive director of human rights watch. he joins me to night from geneva, switzerland can it's good to see you. again. i just want to say, i want to start with the optics of, of what we saw today that the bumped fist that president biden shared with the saudi crown prince. what did that cost the u. s. president? well, look, i think that i'm, the big question that you posed in this opening is your, is biden's seen is selling his human rights principles for the possibility of a smidge in more of saudi oil down the road. there's no media promise, but he may be in the future. unbind wanted to be seen to be trying to fight inflation. so he went to saudi arabia. and the question is he, while he's there signaling his ongoing profound concern about the saudi crown princess, abysmal human rights record. and so far he is utterly failed. you know, the fist pomp was supposed to be short of a handshake. but you know, that's not enough. that's not a statement of human rights principles. i'm. he then met with the crown prince alone and ca

oh, my 1st guest tonight is ken roth, executive director of human rights watch. he joins me to night from geneva, switzerland can it's good to see you. again. i just want to say, i want to start with the optics of, of what we saw today that the bump fist that president biden shared with the saudi crown prince. what did that cost the u. s. president? well, look, i think that i'm the big question that you posed in this opening is your, is biden's seen as selling his human rights principles for the possibility of a smidgen more of saudi oil down the road. there's no media promise, but you may be in the future. unbind wanted to be seen to be trying to fight inflation. so he went to saudi arabia. and the question is, is he, while he's there signaling his ongoing profound concern about the saudi crown princess? abysmal, human rights record. and so far he is utterly failed. you know, the fist pomp was supposed to be short of a handshake. but you know, that's not enough. that's not a statement of human rights principles. i'm. he then met with the crown prince alone and c