and i spoke earlier with ken roth, the former executive director of human rights watch. i asked him for his take on the allegations, what they could mean for audra as well as the civilians still trapped inside gaza. the books, literally the allegations against a dozen unreal employees are serious if they actually participated in the october 7th from us attacks, they will have been responsible potentially for murder, for abduction. these are worked on so there's no question that this is serious stuff. but the thing is for verse is that western governments are responding by essentially penalizing 2 points. treating those in those still using cost because they are not responsible for what these does. the employees did, but by suspending funds to entre they, the western governments are essentially saying, you know, we don't care if you're facing large scale starvation. we are going to cut off the one agency that has been capable of feeding your. okay. i'd like to pick a part on many things that you said there um the humanitarian situation. but, but 1st i'd like to ask you ab

nick: and finally, as i asked ken roth, what do you believe the impact would be? it be if the court imposes provisional measures on israel? whether that is about aid or about the conduct of the war itself. yuval: i think the case as presented by south africa does not have a chance to prevail on the merits, but they may cross the threshold of plausibility, which is sufficient for the court to issue provisional measures. and this is of course something that the government of israel is concerned about, and should be concerned about. and we will have to see what sort of provisional measures the court can issued. in a previous genocide case involving myanmar, the court issued relatively generic remedies, calling on the state not to commit a genocide and to preserve evidence regarding genocide. however, in the russia/ukraine case, the court ordered russia to stop the war. that is something which of course has not happened as of yet. so we have to see what sort of remedies, what sort of measures would be dictated. nick: yuval shany, thank you very much. yuval: thank you