not so obvious, though, with ken starr.famous scene in the map room after the deposition where they do extend--they can't speak to each other, but they do shake hands, wondering what in the world they're doing, but they do it. so it's not clear that the animosity ran deep with ken starr, as it did with his other prosecutors, and we never know exactly where he stands. - yes, well, let me say a thing first about the "clinton hater" concept. you had people like hickman ewing jr., who ran the operation in arkansas for much of the time. i spent a lot of time with hickman. he's a fine prosecutor, a fine man, as is jackie bennett, who ran a lot of that operation. part of this, you have to understand, bob, was that as whitewater moves along, and as these other investigations move along, they come to believe that bill and hillary clinton are stonewalling them. so you do have to recognize a piece of this puzzle is that the whitehouse was taking an aggressive posture against them from the start--not just the president and mrs. clinton

>>> ken starr was known as the financial adviser to the stars with clients like uma thurman, wesley snipesin scorsese until he pleaded guilty to orchestrating a $30 million ponzi scheme. he gets sentenced this week. >>> and the oscars have been handed out. we'll see which winning movies get a big post award bounce at the box office. i'm tyler mathison. get all your business news on cnbc. >>> or you can get all your business and tech news before the bell weekdays on "today in the bay" very early, 4:30 in the morning. jo crowds are starting to get ready for the annual red carpet walk of hollywood stars that is, of course, oscar night. the show will feature its youngest host ever, 28-year-old anne hathaway and james franco. he's come a long way since being a student at palo alto high school. this morning we take a look back at franco as a struggling actor. in 1996, the year he graduated, franco met freelance photographer mark stubner at a los angeles modeling agency. he didn't have money to pay for the photos but the job was done for free because he saw something special. >> back then he was

they think of ken starr or lawrence walsh depending on your political perspective. but it was a pretty ambitious idea in terms of trying to diminish, regulate and contain executive branch corruption. in the aftermath of watergate, this was a very serious level, very serious problem. and that's a grand expectation about what government could achieve. so i'm not sure carter, i mean, i see the image of carter and it's the malaise speech that people point to where he's, basically, lecturing americans on their need to deal with it and to understand the limits of, of what they're going to have. but that said, there's a lot in carter that didn't diminished at all. very bold. and i think sometimes it caused him political problems. it was too much for many democrats. this was not what they wanted to try to focus on. >> dr. zelizer, pardon me, as a veteran of the forums, let me congratulate you on a truly outstanding presentation today. could you talk a little bit about the supporting cast, what were the strengths and weaknesses of carter's cabinet, his relations with the cab

but far, far, far more editorials criticized bill clinton than ken starr and his tactics. the paper broke the white water story. yeah, i'll finish up in a couple of minutes. the paper broke the white water story, it kept on clinton pretty hard. throughout his time in office. the paper more recently it broke the elliot spitzer story, there's a democrat they didn't go soft on. david paterson is another one. i can cite a lot more examples than that. also, on the subject of the war, it's a much more pungent criticism in my mind that "the times" like most american newspapers and news outlets published far more stories basically taking the administration's line through background quotes like the famous judy miller stories, but there were many, many more than it man critical of the administration's arguments for war against iraq. bill cites this too to his credit, a piece by michael massey. there are many, many criticisms to be made from the left of the "new york times". what does it all add up to? bill keller would say, i guess, and not without justification, if we are being att