in the first one was replaced, bob fisk by ken starr, i theft white house because i was now a very controversial figure who gave bad advise about not appointing independent counsel so i left after a year and a quarter in the white house and what happened, happened. the rest is history. he did write in his memoir the biggest mistake he made was appointing independent counsel. so. but it's a dangerous institution to be used very sparingly, especially with respect to a president. but that's what happened. that affected me. i understood, i understood the dangers of '74 did affect me for '93-94 and i also, hillary was in 73 and 74 and with me in 93, 94. she understood it. but the great pressure in the white house, the staff members and foolish democratic senators, they folded. they didn't fold, the clinton -- that changed history too. the clinton presidency would have proceeded. i'm not justifying any conduct president conducted related to miss lewinsky later on. the fact is it wouldn't have had the impact on his presidency it had, there would have been no impeachment. al gore would probably have bee