ken starr is president, chancellor of baylor university.he also holds the louise m martenson chair of constitutional law at their law school. during his career, he has served the country in many ways, including as law clerk to chief justice moore berger, u.s. circuit court judge for the district of columbia circuit, and as solicitor general of the united states under george h w which he read he has argued 36 cases before the supreme court including 25 while solicitor general. he has authored more than 25 publications, many of them on religious freedom. his first book was published in 2002. as someone who has had the privilege of getting to know judge starr over the last year, i can tell you, i have never met a man more suited to the task today that is to conduct a civil, intelligent, and vigorous opposition about one of the most important and controversial issues of our time, and that our country faces. and that issue is what is at stake in the contraceptive mandate of the health care law known as the affordable care act? ladies and gentlem

court case involving webb hubble, a former law partner of hillary clinton, who was twice indicted by ken starrn the second indictment for tax evasion. he challenged the indictment saying he was forced to turn over documents and, therefore, was a form of testimony and the supreme court ruled in his favor. that's the opinion that kelly and stepien's lawyers are resting on in this argument today. so the contours, how far that supreme court ruling goes in the hubble case is really at the core of what this issue is all about. so, yes, it could well end up in federal court. >> chris, there is a supreme court and then there is court of public opinion. >> right. >> if we are talking about team christie strategy here, i'm reminded of general stonewall jackson in the battle of bull run which seems to be the playbook that team christie is taking a page from which is deny, deny. i don't think stonewall jackson is about denial so much as putting up a very strong defense. how much does not cooperating hurt christie in terms of the ideas voters and the american electorate has of him and his deputies? >> so a

the former law partner the hillary clinton who was convicted by water -- white water prosecutor ken starr and supreme court said in that case that the subpoena from starr was so broad it required hubble to identify documents and therefore testify himself. that's the supreme court precedent here and what they were arguing about in that new jersey courtroom. >> all right, thank you so much. michael isikoff. we'll come back to you as this develops. first, i want to turn to bill pass quer el. >> ronan, how are you? >> doing well. i wanted to get to a few questions here. in addition to the news that sampson and another figure tied to this was nearly subpoenaeded in manhattan, michael isikoff told us they were digging into bill stepien's record and we learned that includes everything including rent payments. how consuming has this investigation come for your state? >> i think it's going to drag on as was predicted. you have different bodies, legislatures looking into it. the u.s. attorney is investigating, port authority is looking into this as well. but the fact of the matter is, the longer th

i had ken starr on radio show.ormer slither general and appeal judge it is hard to predict these cases. i think shannon is on to something. that last question from anthony kennedy really was the -- that was the last dagger. look, if we say, this then the government can, in principle pass a rule through the hhs that adds yet another requirement to this legislation, namely abortion. i don't think she had a good answer to that at all. >> very few people get to clerk and go behind the scenes. tell me we have a decision by the end of june. >> yeah. >> after they heard arguments they go to preliminary vote. >> go to conference after the oral argument. >> within the hour? >> go to conference. they may talk about the issues a little bit. and the justices will basically in short order, you know, cast their votes or general votes. that can change. you know, opinions start circulating. the opinion is then given to the most senior justice to get a chance to write the majority opinion or the descent. and the chief justice, just

judge ken starr argued 36 cases in the supreme court. he joined us now.ah, i'm at notre dame. the fighting irish that you see behind you are high school basketball jerseys, but our lady bears one tough game over kentucky. it's going to be held here at notre dame. we're up against the fighting irish. so it will be quite a game. >> that is absolutely intense. i'm not going to say i'm rooting for you, we can't say that, but i am. so the five members of the green family who own hobby lobby object to -- not to all contraception, but to a couple specific kinds of contraception that they consider abortification they're required to provide. is that correct? >> that is correct. they view four out of the 20 contraceptive methods as instituting the taking of human life. they have a generous employee benefits plan, generous health coverage, but they object to these four methods. >> what sort of precedence do you think this will set for the court? >> i think first of all, we need to understand that the greens are saying we want to take very good care of our employees.

, i believe, to the clinton side; sam dash, there--who worked for sam ervin--who also worked for ken starr. and then sam ervin, the senator from north carolina--look at the hands. >> guest: they we--they were gnarled and arthritic, and it's just a beautiful--you know, expression of age in that hand, but i--you--he must have suffered greatly from it, because it's not the kind of hand that--that was kind to you. c-span: and off to the left, senator howard baker. did you have any relationship with any of these people? >> guest: i did know howard baker--we--we were next to each other at a--at a dinner for the white house awards one year. he was a photographer, he used leicas, the same as i did, and he'd even published a book of his pictures, so we had that one thing in common. c-span: and here's a photograph of james mccord, but with him is terry lenzer, who also... >> guest: also figured... c-span: ...popped up working for, i believe, the democrats or somebody during the--doing sec... >> guest: he was doing research for the--for the white house on--on--investigative information that might hav

alan and ken starr have stories about rfra i want to tell. is not nearlyfra so simple as the way in which it was told and it unfolded and remarks this morning. the law of the free exercise clause before the smith case in 1990 was not simple, straightforward, substantial burden, compelling interest was up -- interests. oversimplified narrative. as in the smith case blew it. the religious freedom restoration act just put it back. we stored it. whatu paid attention to the supreme court had dated -- 19600's victorian, three, you will see a line of cases and we will talk about civilf the later about rights laws, social security, .emo wage, over and over again the religious liberty claims lost. you will not see any rigorous application of this substantial burden, compelling interest test. when the smith case made the move into made, it changed something important. we are not disputing that. what happened in congress was a legislative coalition of folks which excluded right to life folks at first. some the folks were really on the side of the green

. >> you know, chris christie, he needs like a ken starr or some bad guy in this situation to make thisare less significant than the scandal itself. he is constantly in trouble. he should hide under this bridge at this particular point because no one is going to trust him anymore. the mistake he made with the jewish coalition of republican leaders, it's the same problem. he has been off his game for months and this is destroying his reputation. he doesn't have much of a future in 2016. he can barely hold on to his own state at this point. >> do you think this is because he's getting bad advice, jason, or do you think it's because as robert was describing -- robert, you can put those adjectives up there again. is he too headstrong? >> i think it's arrogant. i think he's realizing that his pushy attitude may not play in a national audience. what he said at the meeting reminded me of when mitt romney got in front of the naacp and said obamacare and the audience booed. you have to know the audience you're talking to. you can't just be the brusque new jersey mayor everywhere you go, not if y