. >> what does all this have to do with whitewater and what is ken starr doing in this business?sue clinton until they caught him doing something and the something was monica lewinsky. >> a couple weeks ago a woman named linda tripp walked into ken starr's office and says, i have these tapes. i have about ten phone calls of a young woman named monica lewinsky and in it she talks about having had a sexual relationship with the president. >> monica lewinsky bares her soul about her love for bill clinton to her friend, linda tripp. linda tripp gives those tapes to paula jones' lawyers and kenneth starr's office. ken starr knows that the president has to give a deposition in the jones case. >> part of the danger for the president lies in what he said under oath to lawyers for paula jones. mr. clinton denied in his deposition having a sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. >> did the president agree with lewinsky to deny their affair under oath? >> if the president, in fact, encouraged this woman to lie under oath or ask someone else to encourage her, that's a crime. >> it's a diff

former independent counsel ken starr compared his investigations of the clinton administration to the current investigations of the trump administration during a panel discussion at the annual texas festival in austin. panelists included walter shaw the former director of the u.s. government ethics office the former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and president george w. bush's former chief ethics lawyer. this is just over one hour. [applause] >> look at that. welcome everyone to the gathering here today entitled trump, ethics and the law. i should note that this panel discussion as a result when and approximately three days, 11 hours and 47 minutes. i'm dave leventhal the senior political reporter for the center for publicda integrity ad nonprofit investigative news organization in washington d.c.. we have quite a panel with us today. they almost need no introduction over we will -- introduce them anyway. to my left is someone who everyone probably knows quite well and that is walter shaw who up until july, mid-july this year was the director of the office of government et

former independent counsel ken starr compared his investigations of the clinton administration to the current investigations of the trump administration during a panel discussion at the annual texas festival in austin. panelists included walter shaw the former director of the u.s. government ethics office the former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and president george w. bush's former chief ethics lawyer. this is just over one hour. [applause] >> look at that.

we'll tackle those questions with whitewater independent counsel ken starr and the u.s. attorney fired by president trump - preet bharara . >>> and democrats rocked by the explosive charge from former chair donna brazile. the president pounces. >> i want -- you tugt look at hy clinton. she basically bought the dnc, and she stole the election from bernie. >> donna brazile responds here live in our exclusive interview. >>> plus, trump pushes his tax plan. >> people are loving it. >> but our brand-new poll shows weak support. big questions now about the bill's impact on middle class families, the deficit, and lobbyists line up to save their special breaks. so can the gop stick together and pass this bill? what will it mean for you? we'll break down the politics. smoke out the spin. the facts that matter, "this week." >> from abc news, it's "this week." here now chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> good morning. it's the first anniversary of his election approaching this week. president trump is in a deep hol with the american public. more americans disapprove of the presi

ken starr compared his investigations of the clinton administration to the current investigations of the trump administration. at the annual "texas tribune" festival in austin. he joined former director of the us government ethics office, the former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and president george w. bush is former chief ethics lawyer. this is just over one hour. >> welcome everyone to the gathering here today entitled trump, ethics, and the loss. i should note this panel discussion as a result will and approximately three days 11 hours and 47 minutes from now. [laughing] >> i'm dave leventhal come seen a political reporter for theel center for public integrity, a a nonprofit investigative news organization in washington, d.c. and with quite an all-star panel with us today. they almost need to introduction. however, we will introduce them anyway. starting to my right is somebody who donald trump probably knows quite well and that is walter schaub who up until july, mid-july fischer was the director of thee office of government ethics and is now with the campaign legal

>> ken starr spent $70 million looking into bill clinton's transgressions including talking to kathleenillie and paula jones and juanita brodrick and she was found twice not to testify truthfully, once under oath, once in a deposition. she denied having sexual contac contact. >> mark: you don't find her credible? >> it's one thing to trot her out at some press conference, when she was under oath and there were legal consequence is for lying, she testified that she did not have sexual contact. >> mark: nobody's talking about lawsuits. this is all up past the statutes of limitations except for these recent fellows. michelle goldberg's writing in "the new york times" that she believes a rapist was a two-time president of the united states. >> i don't know why she believes somebody who under oath twice denied having sexual contact with bill clinton. you can call bill clinton anything you want, we know what donald trump has bragged about. >> mark: maybe she believes her because your candidate hillary clinton told us he should always believe women. >> until the evidence shows contrary. >> mar

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it turns out that ken starr and the evil republicans of the 1990 and joe lieberman they were all rightemocratic party is admitting that. i think there is a bit of a point. odd timing to hear senator gillibrand come out. after enjoying the political largess of the clintons when it's safe to come out and do this now. then the follow-up where she seems to say it was a different time. that's not an answer. what bill clinton did 20 years ago was terrible. it was terrible in those times. just as it would be terrible in these times. >> bret: all right. a lot of accusations about the looking back at this time. because there are allegations against senator roy moore and the allegations and accusers who are talking about president and candidate trump. chris hayes tweet ed it's true that the democrats and the center left are overdue for a real reckoning for the allegations against them. there are multiple articles about this reckoning. this realism hit people. >> neither party is immune to this. everybody is trying to figure out what the model is for how you respond. when mitch mcconnell became m

ken starr spent $70 million on a consensual blank. but not enough for you, senator gillibrand. you took the clintons's endorsements, money, and seat. hypocrite. interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. best of luck. >> wow. what does this mean? we're not allowed to ask is questions about bill clinton and his was different i guess? >> the context was different. there was a full pitch partisan battle going on that fell right into the middle of this. arguably -- you don't want to dig up too much of this stuff. but it was collateral stuff going on. whitewater and a different kind of scandal pretty far in the past. the clinton people will never get over that. they feel like they got a raw deal. they feel the prosecutor was out of control. there's a consensus the prosecutor was a little out of control and they tamped down and allowed to expire some of the authority that special prosecutors have. >> i hear you. but in terms of the sexual contact, they're saying one was consensual. and i think the facts now even in retrospect we know that to be true. >> our friend yesterday talked abou

you seem unhappy that ken starr has $70 million in unfettered power to investigate a president. so why are you cheering on robert muller these days? >> i don't think that's the point i was making beer at the point i was making, and vaguely i have more than 280 characters to do so, because it's a pretty comp located subjects, is, what's happening now is that people are barely bravely coming forward, whether it's rose mccowan or barbara comstock or lee korff men with accusations of things they felt they could never come forward with before. it's taken a tremendous amount of bravery and it's important. what happened with bill clinton is a complete false equivalency. there's no human being in the united states whose personal life, their infidelity were looked at more than bill clinton. his accusers were afforded the opportunity to confront him. he was afforded the ability to defend himself. my point is that it was thorough. >> i'm going to give you the time to go through. first of all, when you call senator gillibrand hypocrite are you admitting now that a lot of democrats back in t

you know, you look back at the ken starr investigation of clinton, that started with the land deal andended up that, you know, we found out that bill clinton was cheating on his wife and got impeached for it. >> i don't know why the dems get a pass. hillary clinton was big on getting rid of the electoral college when she lost. also underneath the clinton foundation sits a turnstile, a cash machine, sits a secretary of state making decisions. i think we have to get at that, too. david: rich, you know, the history of the clintons, whether they were in arkansas or on their way to the white house with bill clinton or trying to get to the white house with hillary, there's a huge amount of money involved. they get it from all different sources. aren't you a little bit interested in a congressional inquiry into whether any of that money was misused in the campaign, particularly if they were working with the russians? >> i'm interested in finding out the truth and i think that's a great job for journalists and media organizations to try to get at. do i want government to spend time and money p

she initially signed an affidavit saying it didn't happen when the ken starr investigators came to heranged her mind and came forward with the story. she signed the affidavit saying it didn't happen because she didn't want to be part of the public life and that obviously caused some people to have questions about her credibility given that she had changed her mind about that. it was sort of known by people in congress but she didn't come forward until late in that impeachment process. she gave an interview to nbc and it was an unproven allegation and didn't run the interview until the impeachment trial was over. that's always been somewhat controversial. but ken starr and congress people decided there was no specific nexus to his power as president of the united states. it was long before he was in office. there's no allegation that he used the power of office for that case. they did not consider that as part of the investigation or itch peoplemen impeachment. >> it was front page news in the '90s and the culture has changed and it's being reconsidered and re-examined and a new discuss

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paul rosenzweig, former senior counsel on the ken starr investigation. currently a senior fellow at the r street institute. first time you've been on the show tonight. i really appreciate your time. i hope you come back. >> thanks for having me. >> i appreciate it. when you work for a president who counts himself among the very, very capital v, very rich and you yourself are more in the category of just going along okay, you might want a little help paying the lawyers you need on account of your very rich president boss. it would be only human of you to want a little help. and tonight that dynamic between and you your very rich boss, that would be big news. that's coming up. stay with us. per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper was supposed to be a wake reup call for our government?sh people all across the country lost their savings, their pensions and their jobs. i'm tom steyer and it turned out that the system that had benefited

ken starr was constantly which meant his strategy was being telegraphed.nly indictment that ever came out of ken starr's office was a later indictment of his spokesperson for leake grand jury material. it seems like we're looking at the exact opposite. as you said on monday, we learn about it only when this prosecutor, bob mueller, through the lawful process, decides we'll learn about it. >> and there was a leak on the friday before the monday saying the special prosecutor has indictments. that was the leak. no names. then over the weekend the names started to emerge there's an indictment against manafort. what people have to know about the potential sourcing of that leak, the defense team is capable of leaking in this way, too. and paul manafort, relatives of paul manafort. there's a whole world of people can leak information because the special prosecutor has basically told them. your court day will be monday. so a lot of ways we could have discovered that. the papadopoulos thing to me is the one that has to shake the president he is most and actually ha

we'll tackle those questions with whitewater independent counsel ken starr and the u.s. attorney fired by president trump preet bharara. >>> and democrats rocked by the explosive charges from former dnc chair donna brazile in her new book. the president pounces. >> you take a look at hillary clinton. she basically bought the dnc,

one of them involved a young intern, and then the ken starr report -- does that ring a bell with anybody? and after that came out, not long after that came out, the president of the united states was out playing golf, and he was out on the first tee and he had a big cigar in his mouth. and the reporters, the photographers, came to me, showed me the picture and said, okay, what are you going to do about this? and i said,, i shook my head and i said, okay. and they said you get one free pascoe and those with the guys, the shooters, some of them that you write about in the book at that point. they said but if it happens again, you're toast. [laughing] that's an interesting story because it kind of reflex a time in which the press, which ken is a part of, the white house, the public relations communications operations at the white house, they work in some manner of synchronous midi. we did not declare them enemies of the people. we are at a perilous time now because we don't have that kind of engagement. one of the things about washington insiders, like right now ken would probably agree it'

use ken starr to help them with that endeavor. but during that whole period of time coming back to what i think we have all said with the roof blowing up or coming down we have some pretty tough times and pretty strong fights with those republicans at the time. but i think that nelson mandela said something to him and i think later wrote about this they became great friends but the president tried to understand how he couldn't have been filled with hate after he spent 27 years in a prison. and he said if i hated them they would still control me. the only way to be free is to let that go. i think the president was not happy every day he could get pretty vociferous about how he was being put upon and attacked but i think that he always just tried to get stuff done and as we were talking about this panel, i remember at the last meeting we had with the republican leadership in 1998 and report up the hill campaigns were being waged and we picked it up in 1998, which was the first time that happened and involved teaching the practice fo

there is now a ken starr memo saying you could indict a president. >> what's remarkable about this, whenou're talking about the collusion case, a lot remains murky about that. a lot are emains murky about what russia did. there might be criminal indictments against russian actors the people that committed the intrusion into the servers. the idea that the collusion case is there in front of us and the idea you could have owe moment where you wake up and robert mueller says, we are indicting the president of the united states for obstruction of justice is not implausible. >> this is one op reasons donald trump was so angry when jeff sessions recused himself. he told the "the new york times" i never would have hired him if he was going step down from the investigation. why? >> he also told the russians i got rid of comey and the pressure is off. clearly he's stressing it. >> there's a lot of tools mueller has in his toolbox about why he fired comey and why he was so upset about sessions. >> a will the of people saying firing comey was a mistake and the drip drip drip disclosures were a mist

a long-time advisor to hillary clinton shot back "ken starr spent $70 million on a consensual sex actover 20 years, you took the clinton's endorsements money and seat. hypocrite. interesting strategy for 2020 primaries, best of luck. i think this shows us to go things. people in the democratic party turning on the clinton's but it also shows you know have democrats fighting democrats over these allegations. >> beyond a franken, it appears to be headed to the senate ethics investigation on totally separate allegations. >> bob menendez, he had a split decision today on allegations of bribery. after feeling the sting of one of only 12 senators to be indicted, he got some measure of vindication as a mistrial was declared as jurors were deadlocked and he grew emotional as he asked where he can go to get his reputation back after surviving this multiyear federal probe and avoiding prison time. the bad news is senate republican leader mitch mcconnell immediately declared his trial shed light on serious accusations of violating the public's trust as an elected official as well as potential vi

ken starr spent $20 million on a consensual blank. he kept potus kjc. but not enough for you, senator gillibrand. over 20 years you took the clinton's endorsement money and seat. hypocrite. >> i'm glad to see senator gillibrand get woke on this issue as did jake tapper on the clinton accusers at did the atlantic and "the new york times" and chelsea handler. the atlantic wrote feminists saved the 42nd president in the 90s. they were on the long side of history.is it time to make things right? >> if we don't keep talking about it, we're going to -- >> no. >> i want to but let's take this commercial break. >> it got heated right before that commercial break. and then during the break. so let's continue on. senator gillibrand of new york has said -- of course, there's people that have softened a little bit -- that she thought that if bill clinton behaved the way he did in the white house, he should have resigned. originally she said he should have quit. you were about to make a comment. ladies, you were arguing. carry on in public. >> go for it. >> i was go

ken starr spent $70 million on a consensual blank. the senate voted to keep president clinton but not enough for you, senator gillibrand? of 20 years you took the clintons's endorsements, money, and seat. hypocrite. interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. best of luck. >> at some point you're not going to have a change take place unless people say, it is hypocritical. i did take the money. now i'm saying that isn't the right thing to do and i'm changing my position. if you don't have people willing to do that, you don't have any change. that's why harvey weinstein, like the politicians are able to keep this because they have money, power and people who are beholden to them. so, yeah, gillibrand will take a lot of heat for the fact that she's doing it and she was perfectly fine. but more people have to do that. otherwise, don't change anything. >> this is what we're wrestling with, which is whether do you start the clock. we're at a tipping point. all of these stories are coming forward. is it now divided by before harvey weinstein an

people out there, if you want spicy reading, please google the ken starr report that came out the summerore. you can get nice bedtime reading. this is some of the most humiliating information about a sitting president you could ask for. there's a lot of ways to punish somebody for behavior. resignation might be one. in the case of bill clinton, all the women you just showed, and i want america to know, it is not like no one has heard from them, it is a president who will as you -- more than, i don't know if more or less a price, but he paid one. all of the women from paula jones and everyone had their stories told. there was great interest in talking to them. we could disagree if stories were favorable or not, but there was enormous coverage of what they accused president clinton of, and in a lot of detail, including details of what he did, where and what with monica lewinsky. if you think this hasn't been litigated, it has been, and it is worth talking about if he should have resigned or not, but it is not as if he did not pay a price. >> this is what we have gotten from the president h

. >> the ken starr statute was allowed to expire. he was constitution ali an independent council.ssed by the congress, and he was appointed. this is a special council within the justice department. if the president goes too far, then the way it's addressed is through the courts. somebody can say, you went too far, you're breaking the law on this or there's a political solution. either the election in three years or impeachment. that is the way the constitution is set up. >> may i give you my impression, the difference between what you said and the law sets out. >> the regulations that govern mueller which are presidential regulations the president can change if he wants to change them. provide that mueller can only be fired for cause. rosen stein gave mueller a mandate. he has to operate within that mandate or go back to rosen stein to get that mandate expanded. the system is working just fine. nobody is -- i'm saying, so nobody is rogue. the independent council stat toot doesn't provide any more protection than the current regulations do. i have no doubt but that this regulatory

ken starr, the man who prosecuted bill clinton, and many republicans, many americans, many democratselieve that will bill clintond do as nixon had done and resigned rather than face the ignominy of an impeachment, especially on a humiliating topic like that. and the decency and decorum would cause him to act. i saw, i believe it was fox, liberal publication. he said something that was quite right on twitter. imagine how different our public discourse would be if bill clinton had resigned. now there's a part of my smart piece in the atlantic just out, not breitbart. this is a liberal publication and it said this. the reckoning for bill clinton is coming. if what bill clinton did in the time he was doing it -- regardless of whether he accepts or denies the claims from broderick and others. if that happened in the current climate, can you imagine the why that bill clinton will be treated, even for the things that he admitted doing? the world has changed a lot since then. part of the reason that politics is as gross as it is today was based on the decisions that the clintons made to dest

>> it is a compelling story, i read a lot of accounts come i read what ken starr said. >> sean: do youieve gennifer flowers thrown down the stairs, and bill clinton had to admit that he had an affair with her. >> he obviously had an affair with these women. i understand how serious these accusations are. if we are the party of women's rights, obviously wewe need to o better. >> sean: that was not consensual, all three of them. all right, tomi, let's bring you in. >> well, of course was not consensual. and look at the stuff. we go back and we look at it. you have to set a precedent prior. to the president was bil. everybody wanted to look the other way when it was bill. and then when the republicans and now the light is shone on them. we are still talking about donald trump. we are talking about and access hollywood tape, while we have disgusting pictures right in front of us paid why f we are going back to donald trump i don't understand when we should beru talking about the president said her which was bill clinton, hillary clinton, i'm going to speak to them and stick to that, she wa

. >> [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible conversations] >> former independent counsel ken starr compared his investigations of the clinton administration to the current investigations of the trump administration. at the annual "texas tribune" festival in austin. he joined former director of the us government ethics office, the former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and president george w. bush is former chief ethics lawyer. this is just over one hour. >> welcome everyone to the gathering here today entitled trump, ethics, and the loss. i should note this panel discussion as a result will and approximately three days 11 hours and 47 minutes from now. [laughing] >> i'm dave leventhal come seen

i remember when ken starr drove up to depose the president of the united states at that time in the map room. it was a day i'll never forget. he was asked about it. he was investigated about it. he was impeached basically over it. and ultimately, you know, he -- he lied about it at first. i remember him saying i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> he had no choice, actually. the evidence showed something different. i mean, there was a blue dress and dna. >> right. right. >> he lied under oath. >> right. that blue -- exactly. but he lied under oath. but guess what? it all came out. it was investigated and he was impeached. there was a hearing on the hill. there was testimony on the hill. all this was going on on the hill about this. now what do we have here? >> yeah. >> people need to stop looking at the past and look at the present. a lot of people like to deflect. and i'm not saying this to make people think that i'm for one side or the other. but the issue is now that happened then and it was real then and it does play into now. we've seen this. and if it played into the

the ken starr investigation did not start with an intern.harlie: the question was raised about this investigation, and you hear people looking at it, and in fact, you had a column about it -- you have in washington people we respect calling into question the president's fitness for the job. there are people who come out of meetings with him and say, he will start one sentence here, and it will verrer off. charlie: suggesting what? david: there is some -- i don't know what. i don't want to go there, but he certainly speaks differently now than he did in the 1980's. people have done these tv interviews. the old trump spoke in full paragraphs, co. here, and this guy is not that. as auld be that he decided lot of politicians have decided that it is smart to be less articulate. i saw that with bush. the guy in private was way smarter than he was in public. i don't know what it is, but i do know you never meet anybody who goes into the white house or works in the white house who says, this guy is so impressive. it is odd to be around washington an

. >> i would say it was investigated by ken starr, voted on by the house and the senate, president clinton survived. i'm proud of my work for bill clinton, i am proud -- >> harris: if he did that today, would you want them to quit? >> i am not going to answer hypothetical about them and that didn't happen and won't happen. i think senator gillibrand code, to have jumped to answer that question made a profound mistake as an opportunist. >> harris: that is a little bit of threat to it, do you think it is going to hurt prolifically? >> i think it's going to make her look bad. democrats may well have flaws, i am a democrat, i have had my problems with the party. to turn on the most popular person in the party to this day, bill clinton, a man who did unqualified to go to. >> harris: he had a lot of women coming against him. >> journalists, mostly. >> harris: i don't even know where to go with that. >> they are not elected officials. >> harris: senator amy klobuchar among the list of people, specifically has women calling for a senate ethics investigation of al franken, he says yes he would succ

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. >> hillary clinton's long-time aide and adviser wrote last night, ken starr spent $70 million on a consensual blank. senate voted to keep potus w jc. but not enough for you, senator gillibrand? over 20 years you took the clintons' endorsements, money and seat. hypocrite. interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. best of luck. >> fiphilippe is known for his sharp barbs. i understand why people very close to the clintons are upset about that, i do, but i don't think that kind of dialogue is that helpful. >> rick tyler, is there a moral equivalency between roy moore, the accusations about trying to date and becoming sexually involved in one or two cases with underage young women, troll trolling the mall for teenage girls, and what we saw during the clinton years? >> i get asked a lot, why don't you bring up the clintons, why don't you bring up the clintons? the reason why i haven't, it's like what about this, right? it's not about clinton and the establishment, it's about roy moore and his behavior. i'm sure a lot of those women believe roy moore because a lot of them wear a mask. he w

ken starr investigated a land deal at arkansas, that much later turned into "i did not have sexual relations with that woman." he told "the times," if bob mueller looks at my finances, that's the red line. that's not the red line. if he needs tohose records from the trump organization, the tax returns, that's well within his mandate. it would be very difficult to stop him, short of firing him and setting off another saturday night massacre. >> which is something -- richard painter was on in the last hour, he thinks jeff sessions might be the fall guy for this. we know the president is on a trip to asia, how much will these problems at home overshadow the president as he lands in tokyo in the next couple hours? >> obviously this will come up as he's on the road talking about reporters. that said, what he said in that interview is a useful foreshadow of what we can expect him to say while he's in asia. p my understanding is that the view within the white house, the message communicated to the president and to the media from the legal folks who are in trump's orbit, is that he needs to lay off

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there is now a ken starr memo that says you can indict a sitting president.o it's an open question now whether you could or not indict the president. >> i mean, what's remarkable about this is just that, you know, we were talking about the smoking gun or the bridge, when you're talking about the collusion case, the first order case, a lot remains murky about that and what the russians did. keep in mind, there might be criminal indictments against russian actors here, right? the people that actually committed the crime of intrusion into these servers, but the idea that the obstruction case is actually just there in front of us. the idea that you can have a moment where people wake up and robert mueller says, we're indicting the president of the united states for obstruction of justice, that seems preposterous but also not implausible. >> i think this is one of the reasons why he wants to get at why donald trump was so angry when jeff sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. donald trump came out and told "the new york times" that i never would h

the long-time advisor to hillary clinton sent a warning shot across saying on twitter ken starr spental blank for sunday morning television. senate voted to keep potus wjc, but not enough for you, senator gillibrand? over 20 years you took the clintons endorsement, money and seat? hypocrite. interesting strategy for 2020. >> what republicans learned in 2016 is not only you no longer had to defend george w. bush, you could actually attack him, as trump proved. ike you'll see the same thing playing out with democrats in 2020. you can disagree with the clintons and even though bill clinton under the bus for his appalling personal conduct. >> but does the president jumping all over al franken bring up his own past where people will reask themselves how about the credibility of those women, more than a dozen women accusing him. >> it's going to haunt republicans in the coming year because you have leader mcconnell and other senators saying, including mulvaney in your interview, they say the women are credible in the roy moore situation. does that mean the women are not credible when it com

the ken starr investigation took four or five years.lsh's investigation of iran-contra, i worked on, took five years. i don't think mueller wants any part of that. he was only appointed in may. which is not that long ago and these are complicated investigations which may take considerably more time. >> and to your point, while he may not want it to last overly long at the same time, this is not something -- not that any investigation, obviously, would be rushed but certainly not this one, with so much scrutiny at this point. it's not something you're going to rush through anyway. >> he's indicted paul manafort and rick gates. that trial isn't scheduled until may of next year. the idea this is somehow about to end just doesn't even seem legally possible, much less likely. >> when we look at jared kushner and this request and investigators want more and they're specific about what they're asking, but it's not the first time he's withheld information and he had to amend his national security questionnaire and all these things that popped u