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ken starr would know a lot about that. it happened every day.lly today james lankford the republican senator on the intelligence committee in the senate said that investigation of all this would have to start with the biden's because we are all the time that they are errors absolute no evidence that joe biden did any of the stuff and yet we don't get the sense that people are digging very hard for it. so it's going to have to change if democrats go ahead with what they are saying they are going to do which is to impeach the president on this ukraine issue. >> laura: again, the fact that hunter biden has not appeared to give an interview on morning joe or, like a friendly forum where they maybe have coffee in the morning and hang out with her friends. it's bizarre, strange. >> he did do a story with the new yorker a few weeks ago and everybody thought it was kind of a preemptive story to try to get -- >> laura: it wasn't great. >> it wasn't good but it probably wasn't -- >> laura: not complete. i want to get back to this. menendez, durbin, leahy

we'll bring in ken starr former independent counsel.he perfect guest at the moment to take us through a lot of things. >> julie: a little experience. >> bill: think about the 1990s where public was or where it moved to. where are we in the state of play this morning, sir? >> well, for starters, bill and julie, we got on the wrong street. we're on impeachment alley and we should be on oversight street. there is a legitimate reason for oversight. the reason we shouldn't be on impeachment alley, there is no evidence as i see it of treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. with all due respect to the house of representatives and speaker they got way ahead of themselves and jumped the gun. politics was more than a little to do with this. but this is a serious constitutional process and i'm so glad you had this clip from senator lindsey graham. if he is not on board. if people like mitch mcconnell aren't on board this is given what we know and what we can reasonly expect utterly doomed to fail. that's a terrible thing for the country. leave poli

ken starr said it. he didn't like some of the wording that was used in there. it's a problem. he said it's not a crime. >> brian: so much of this conversation is about whether or not this is a crime. even about, "don't you think it's a problem the president did this?" i don't hear a lot of serious saying, "there isn't something here that i don't like." there is proof of the question is, i'm going to overturn an election based on will be see in the transcript? most people would say that's not a great prospect. i know the polling you will cite here. the people are concerned about having the vote overturned in a process that is highly, highly partisan, highly, highly political. >> melissa: it's interesting that mary anne said at the beginning that there's no clear quid pro quo. it doesn't say, "if you do this, i will do that." but it never says that. i just wonder, this is kind of the point that we get to, whether it's the clinton foundation or everything with the bidens, or president trump calling about ukraine. it's all kind of the same thing. but you know it's implied. if you

purchasers to buy guns at gun shows without completing a background check, taking a background check in ken starr's essentially irrelevant. it was in 2015 that the citizens of oregon closed that craigslist loophole and it was in the year 2018 when they closed it to the legislature quote the boyfriend loophole. saying if anle individual has a restraining order against them or a stocking conviction, they shouldn't have theg ability to buy a gun in our state. now, i do a lot of town halls. i i do one in every county every year. at the end of this year i'm hitting about 400 town halls from the time i been in the ascendant. my 36 counties i give to each year, 22 of them are what we as being politically very red counties. and gun violence comes up all the time. and yet even in those conservative red counties, people are incredibly supportive of having a background checks system nationally like oregon hasig created. because right now in oregon it's kind of a a big hole if someboy just ignores the background check by going across the border to another state to buy guns. of course we have straw buyers only

here now is former counsel fox news contributor ken starr..t seems the fbi, mccabe specifically, spent more time trying to clean up their conflicts than actually pursuing wrongdoing here. >> yeah. sort of a lack of focus on what's really important as the save your skin, do what you need to do to preserve your job or whatever but that's right from the kiev's own which we now have. we see now that he was scurrying around, in fact he said he spent the better part of the day working at "the wall street journal" trying to shape the story and so forth instead of doing what the fbi should be doing. and all of us had to do of course with andrew mccabe's alleged conflicts because of his spouse and ties to the clintons through the governor of virginia and so forth. we need the fbi to focus on what's important and andrew mccabe did not seem to be doing that. >> laura: i want to go on to another couple of issues. can the impeachment mania that has just gripped the democrat party, pelosi comes out, she was asked about this today. a new step toward impeachm

difference between republicans and democrats and how they're treating the press and how the press treated ken starr versus how they treated bob mueller. do you think now mueller testimony has happened, do you think the press will turn on bob mueller? >> guest: i think they did already. he did an immediate turn on him. it's interesting, and we cannoh his press conference and said that donald trump was innocent, on the collusion charge, there was about 12-24 hours of stunned silence in the news media. he didn't know what to do because they all expected, all of them expected that he is going to come out with something series against the president. but then the democrats, jerry nadler and company started beating the drums about this ain't over yet and we're going to investigate it because 16 lawyers and gazillions of dollars in three years later, they didn't do the jobs and we will. immediate pivoted to the democrats and just articling than that way. were going to get to the truth now. basically they threw mueller under the bus after three years of declaring what an honorable man he was. he was useless

ken starr. tell us about the dangers of doing this or not? would you put out the transcript or not, sir? >> good morning, bill. not at this time. i don't think there should be a rush. there are dangers. the precedent of a president -- any president making public transcripts of confidential conversations by their very nature. conversation with a foreign leader is whatever the subject is, it is sensitive and goes to the relationship if not to substance. now, that having been said there is a competing principle, accountability and checks and balances. so i think the senate is suggesting appropriate middle course, let's have the senate intelligence committee conduct its investigation and knows how to handle confidential information without the world necessarily needing to know. we're seeing the dynamic because of all of the background of impeachment which is unfortunate but it is a reality. >> bill: i didn't hear you say no entirely but perhaps no eventually or even maybe yes eventually. ron johnson said this. it's a very dangerous precedent and

and brett kavanaugh worked for ken starr.ng stier and kavanaugh's combative relationship goes back 25 years. the "times" also says last year matt stier alerted senators and the fbi about his accusation but they didn't investigate. we know democratic senator chris coons sent stier's accusation to the fbi and leaders of the senate judiciary, but it's unclear if the information was ignored, found not credible, or simply could not be corroborated. and when the "times" finally corrected its story saying that friend of stier's victim says she does not recall the incident, even liberal media outlets were stunned. watch. >> why is there this glaring omission in the "new york times" story? there were mollie hemingway and others on twitter were saying that, in fact, she had no recollection of this happening and her friends were saying the same thing. >> this allegation is similar to a claim debra ramirez made against brett kavanaugh but ramirez first told ronan farrell there was no sexual misconduct. later she said she couldn't be sure

ken starr laid out 110 ground for impeachment. counsel mueller gave congress zero recommendations. the latest ukraine phone call hasn't been investigated. they announced they wanted to move forward with impeachment before they read the transcript. the republicans, they are the ones that a apparently are seething with hatred according to nancy pelosi. the hypocrisy is understand believable. and it's not good for the country. it's not good for our economy. former u.s. attorney, cummings. i read the whole thing. there were parts i didn't like. i wish the president given that the whole russia collusion thing was such an issue. he probably maybe ought to be guarded about asking ukraine for any help against an opponent. that said, big difference between that and the somewhat casual conversation when you read this, and high crimes and misdemeanors. you are talking about impeachment which is lousy for the country, it's lousy for the process. could they get him? >> no. you brought me object to say more than that. but the answer is simply n

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the accusing classmate was actually a member working for ken starr. >> that is why it is the ramirezation that ought to be investigated. there were 25 potential corroborating witnesses to that, none of whom the fbi talked to. so i could see why the president and his enablers would focus on the one witness who doesn't remember what happened. ic see why they do that, totally disregarding the 25 witnesses the if facebook should hafbi sh. i concluded it was a sham investigation. and the "new york times" article really points out that all of these potential witnesses were never interviewed. so it's just appalling but it is par for the course as far as i'm concerned, because mitch mcconnell's goal in life is to have as many as the heritage foundation people on the court at every levels. court packing is a huge threat to women's right to choose to voting rights to voter suppression issues, health care. all of these issues are going to come before the judges that mitch mcconnell and trump is busy places on our courts at all levels. >> thank you so much. it's a wonder why it's not becoming mo

liz: thank you, ken starr. president trump speaking moments ago before leaving for the republican conference in baltimore. president trump: the stock market is up again. it will be close to a new high. many, many times we set the record. we are very honored by that. we are having a tremendous couple of weeks. a lot of good things are hatching. i got a call from heads of china. the call is directed to my people. they asked whether or not would be possible to delay the hit on the tariffs from 25 to 345%. we gave them a two-week in honor of president xi. we gave them a two-week reprieve. and we'll be doing the tariffs on october 15 instead of october 1. we are moving into october 15 because they are having their 70th anniversary. i will do that again in honor of president xi. that's it. any questions? i actually spoke to mike pompeo about that and he decided and he and i -- i get along with him so well. we have a lot of the same views. a couple different views. but he like the idea of having somebody in there with

ken starr laid out 110 ground for impeachment. counsel mueller gave congress zero recommendations. the latest ukraine phone call hasn't been investigated. they announced they wanted to move forward with impeachment before they read the transcript. the republicans, they are the ones that a apparently are seething with hatred according to nancy pelosi. the hypocrisy is understand believable. and it's not good for the country. it's not good for our economy. former u.s. attorney, cummings. i read the whole thing. there were parts i didn't like. i wish the president given that the whole russia collusion thing was such an issue. he probably maybe ought to be guarded about asking ukraine for any help against an opponent. that said, big difference between that and the somewhat casual conversation when you read this, and high crimes and misdemeanors. you are talking about impeachment which is lousy for the country, it's lousy for the process. could they get him? >> no. you brought me object to say more than that. but the answer is simply n

susan: and ken starr's investigation.ere we have another clip from our library of president clinton explaining his response to the investigation. [video clip] president clinton: i was asked questions about my relationship with monica lewinsky. my answers were legally accurate but i did not volunteer information. indeed, i did have a relationship with ms. lewinsky that was not appropriate. in fact, it was wrong. it constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which i am solely and completely responsible. susan: another oval office or white house address to the nation. what was he saying here? james: he is accepting responsibility and admitting that he did something wrong and in some respects, he was certainly trying to clear the air and in some respects he succeeded in doing so. his presidency went to its end. susan: but the train was pretty far out of the station. correct? james: yes, but at least he did it. maybe others will learn that it is better to admit it early on than to wait when

ken starr former deputy sol wisenberg explain why there is no smoking gun on this

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. >> neil: wow, ken starr thank you. thank you for explaining a lot of the stuff to me.bing to me. good seeing you here thank you. >> my pleasure. >> neil: it was not too long ago the president said this. >> baltimore has been very badly mishandled for years. baltimore is an example of what corrupt government leads to. i feel so sorry for the people of baltimore. >> neil: guess where he's going? it rains with baltimore. -- it rhymes with baltimore. go to hilton instead of a travel site and you'll experience a whole new range of emotions like... the relaxing feeling of knowing you're getting the best price. and the magic power of unlocking your room with your phone. i can read minds too. really? book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee. >> neil: well, they are still cleaning up from dorian from the bahamas. now, there could be in another bit of nasty weather coming their way. it might be quite serious too. just when they don't need it most. >> what might seem like a small cause can be a big problem for the grandchildren. s you drive s. but allstate actu

ken starr. let's talk about the law. >> she said the director of national intelligence shall and must hand over. that's completely wrong. the whistle-blower is not a whistle-blower. you can't blow the whistle on the president because he's not a member of the intelligence committee. that's what the law says. pelosi, obviously dented read the law or she can't comprehend the law even though she said she was an authority on it. second of all, the president is duty-bound onto the clause of the constitution. he knows of a particularly corrupt act trying to extort a foreign country to parts . the president is duty-bound to ask that foreign country, investigate, produce the evidence, give it to us. if he doesn't do it, it is. a -- >> sean: so what you're saying is that the president had a legal responsibility in lieu of the fact that russia tried to influence our elections. before ignoring what joe biden admits on camera of doing. >> sean: that's a great point. from your legal perspective how do you rea

>> i went back and looked at the kenneth starr par and ken starr actually used the word impeachment multiple times and he was far more directed, i don't know -- that's not necessarily to say coordinated which the republicans on the hill but moving in that direction, and look, i think mueller was circumspect and he was measured in what he did. some parts of it seemed unnecessarily opaque and inscrutable to me. i think he should have been clearer about it. the reality -- >> you think he did do a disservice. >> what he ended up telling us when he had his press conference and came to capitol hill the reason they did not indict the president of the united states for obstruction of justice because of the department of justice policy that doesn't allow them to. that is the reason they did not indict took place. >> what about sin knicks in washington -- >> cynics outside of washington who look at washington and say, nobody here wants to do anything, nobody wants to get anything done, they just want to pretend like they're getting something done and then just stay in power. what do you say to those w

paul rosen wine was a former senior council to ken starr and former u.s. senator barbara boxer, a member of the senate during president clinton's impeachment trial. paul, let me start with you, sir. i know you helped build a case for clinton's impeachment in 1998. having read the whistle-blower complaint itself and the memo on the president's call with the ukrainian president, how would you assess the case for impeachment this time? >> well, i think it's fair to say that this case against president trump is different in kind from that against president clinton. say what you will about president clinton's conduct, at bottom, it related to his personal conduct. i think in the end the reason he was not removed from office was precisely because most americans reached the judgment that a president's actions outside of his professional job are not relevant. here we are in a phase that's more more like the nixonian misuse of presidential authority. as speaker pelosi said, actually withholding taxpayer dollars authorized by congress to be delivered to the ukraine

the transcript but let's turn to the aggressive progressive chris hahn and fox news contributor ken starr, welcome to you both. >> thank you very >> thanks for having us. >> shannon: after that, tweeting this, "schiff knows that a lot of people watching will think that's actually with the transcript said. it's not. in fact, the whole point is that the transcript doesn't say what schiff just said it said. judge ? >> shannon, there is a compelling need to get things right and not to play actor, to go on stage and to pretend. we are talking about the president of the united states. one would think that what we used to call respect between the branches would just tell the chairman don't act this way, it's a sophomoric and really i think it's unpardonable forte, especially given the nature of this, the international relations, formulations of the united states, to do anything other than the facts and just the facts. >> shannon: doesn't undermine his argument here -- this is what brit hume tweeted out, saying this. "if the conversation were as damning as schiff would like him he would have read

clinton had been under investigation by ken starr for years. in early october of 1998, the judiciary committee voted to recommend an impeachment inquiry. the dow shed 0.8% that day the s&p dropped 1.4% the nasdaq got obliterated plummeting 4.8%. that honestly i think is analogous today where the nasdaq took the brunt of the pain something about these political issues that seems to impact tech far more than any other sector of the stock market. >> the house of pain. >> but after that the initial decline, the market recovered and it recovered rapidly with tech leading the way >> buy, buy, buy >> remember, this was during the middle stages of the dotcom bubble between the judiciary committee's recommendation and the house vote to impeach clinton roughly two months later, what do you think happened the dow zoomed 16% the s&p surged 21% the nasdaq skyrocketed 39% that was a remarkable move aided by an emergency rate cut by the fed. still if you let the impeachment story shake you out of the market guess what happened you miss one of the greatest mov

in 1998 window clinton was impeached, ken starr delivered his reports to congress on september the ninth started and impeachment. the house voted for and impeachment inquiry and by december the house voted to impeach him. it would be very hard to see, given the state of democrat disarray on this right now, see them doing that. >> bret: monmouth pull out just days ago as should trump be impeached or compelled to leave the presidency august 2019, 35%, no should not, 59%. the house judiciary committee, good idea or bad idea and it's 51-41. nadler making the case that they're going to make the own, but what are the exactly th i all goes out doesn't seem to be set in stone. does it become a problem for the ten people on the stage tonight? i assume they can't not address this, or abc can't not ask this. >> they'll get the question. what's interesting -- they will get the question here. they're not getting the question out on the stump though. >> bret: they're not choosing to talk about it on their own. >> when they're doing their townhouse -- right, no one is putting it in their stump speech.

were proper but after the white house released details about the call former independent council ken starr parts that raise red flags. >> what president said, he used a word that's wrong, reciprocity. that's not a crime. i think it's poor judgment by the president, he should not have done that. >> fox news has also learned that the controversy led the president's point man in ukraine to put in resignation, stepping down as role as u.s. envoy, he was in contact with the president's attorney rudy giuliani and ukraine's government, he was sort of a go-between ukrainian government as they try to understand what u.s. officials were saying as well as the president's attorney rudy giuliani were saying, molly, the story continues every hour, new development. >> for sure mark meredith thank you so much. now let's take a look at what actually happened leading up to this impeachment inquiry. >> former vice president joe biden's son hunter joined energy company joined by ukrainian oligarch, but international concerns grew over prosecutor general victor, he too was embroiled in internal corruption. pre

but former whitewater prosecutor ken starr was telling me over the weekend not so.that something that bothers you? >> yes. i think what the president said, he used a word that was very very wrong, reciprocity. we need reciprocity. i'm embellishing even on that. but that's not a crime. that's not a crime. i think it's poor judgment by the president. he should not have done that. so he's making the tie and i don't think it's a crime and i think that's the better view. i know people are saying oh, that's a crime. no, it's not. neil: trish regan is with us, host of "trish regan primetime." phenomenal show. she looks very sweet when she gets into an interview. she's a cobra. she joins us right now. how are you? >> i'm really good. this is an exciting day. neil: it is fun. you hear this back-and-forth a lot on impeachment, how far does it go. mark cuban said for now, just for now, not a big obsession for the markets but stressing for now. >> well, look, i think the markets are looking at the reality of the situation and they're saying this is political and if it continues

process so i think we're better off -- >> right, impeachment proceedings back with clinton and the ken starr investigations, that led to i think a 20% downturn at the time >> it's always that unknown. it's never a good process. but with the senate where it is firmly now, i think this is more of a political statement versus something that's actually going to happen or transpire so the markets should probably try to digest that before they start to shoot first and ask questions. >> let's get more on this. house speaker nancy pelosi, of course, expected to make an announcement this afternoon. ylan mui has been following this for us from d.c. ylan, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, wilfred, nbc news has now confirmed that speaker pelosi is planning to announce a formal impeachment inquiry. that is according to two democratic sources and she talked about sort of around this earlier today at the atlantic festival when she said that the president's conduct has entered a serious new stage. >> we have to have the facts that's why i've said, as soon as we have the facts, we're ready now we have th

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ken starr telling fox news he was troubled by president trump's alleged use of the word reciprocity.he use of the word would suggest poor judgment by the president them a that despite the missteps does not at this point constitute a crime. the heart of the democrats' impeachment inquiry is whether the president use the power of his office to pressure a foreign country to investigate joe biden and his son under -- hunter. democrats say that even if the president did not specifically say that aid rests with willingness to probe the bidens, the innuendo was there. that is from fox news. we will go to mouthy from emerson, new jersey. -- to matthew from emerson, new jersey. caller: isn't it a shame that president trump cannot be a perfect human being like you and i? over 2.5 years of russian collusion by the democrats and their mouthpiece, the fake news media, like cnn, and they are fake, proved to be lies and a disaster for them. now pelosi gives in -- and she did give into the angry, radical aoc and congressman al green is quoted on video as saying we have to impeached trump. otherwise,

so we were given a difficult challenge because ken starr's report came back and said guilty, guilty, that nancy pelosi just said. opposite by the way of mueller. steve: sure. but, newt, the political reality is if nancy pelosi were to get the whatever she needs, 218 votes to go ahead for impeachment, the u.s. senate is never going to impeach this president. it's a republican majority and it simply would not do it based on what we know right now. given the political realities you face you end up sending the articles of impeachment to the senate where the senate said no, we are not going to convict him. >> right. and i think that was in the context of that period and people looked at the totality and they said it was right for him to be impeached. it was not right to take him out of office. but the truth was as i said a minute ago, he suffered -- bill clinton suffered a number of consequences. here's the other big difference. in the case of clinton he had actually broken the law and committed a felony in a case involving sexual perdation against an employee. if that happened today. wou

kavanaugh himself was working for ken starr at the time.an a day after the article was published, the times updated the argument to include a key element of the book's account that were quote, the female student declined to be interviewed and friends say she does not recall the episode. reached through the supreme court kavanaugh declined to comment to nbc news. he delivered a forceful denial of misconduct during his confirmation hearing last yeah. >> year. >> first of all, jonathan lemire, let's talk about this article in the "new york times." everybody makes mistakes, we make mistakes every day in talking about mika and me, cour reproach. >> yeah. >> but everybody makes mistakes. but, you know, we were on the phone yesterday and asking each other, wait a second, a woman who steyer claims was abused by kavanaugh, has she denied this? has she claimed this happened? why -- why is there this glare omission in "the new york times" story in there were molly hemingway and others on twitter were saying that, in fact, she had no recollection of th