host: let me ask you about your former colleague, ken starr. the headline in "the examiner" -- "trump showed poor judgment but that is not a crime." he was on fox last week and i want to give you a chance to hear that and let you respond. >> i say that because impeachment is doomed to fail given what we know. obviously the facts are flowing in. in the history of the country, obviously presidential efforts to impeach do not work. that we know. but gets what -- but guess what, of the 62 impeachment resultedgs, eight have in convictions. this is not going to result in a conviction, so why are we on the impeachment train? we should be on the oversight calling it --t and quit calling it impeachment, especially since there is something profoundly wrong under our constitution to call it impeachment, that we are on a formal impeachment inquiry. no, with all due respect, until the house of representatives vote as a body to conduct an impeachment inquiry or investigation, there is simply action by committee that has been sanctioned by the speaker. it sou

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host: that is former whitewater counsel can start -- can star -- ken starr. guest: it is difficult for me because ken is an old friend. i think he was deeply unfairly maligned by president clinton at the time. i continue to believe that the actions he took and i took while working with him in investigating president clinton were proper and appropriate. that having been said, most of what he just said is unfortunately not really persuasive and in some cases wrong. the house rules do not require a vote of impeachment. his structural point is an error. the house has in fact proceeded impeachmentte of against many of the judges that have been impeached. he is correct there have been 63 impeachments and only eight convictions. that's because most of the judges and others who get impeached resign rather than face the trial in the senate. so that is a misleading statistic, albeit a true one. notably, if the standard is that there should not -- you should not proceed with an inquiry unless you were certain there will be a conviction, that calls into question why he a

you want to be ken starr? be ken starr. come to the judiciary committee.rst witness and take every question asked of you. [applause] starting with your own involvement with the whistleblower. folks, this ain't over. spew on your reaction? >> [laughs] well, i guess i'm honored. but it was a very long day, and i really urge the committee in 1998 -- you have the facts, i'm not the accuser. i'm the fact gatherer, here are the facts. but if you want to come in the accuser, okay. but it's a fair point, isn't it? the house committee, 20 years ago, said, "you can gathering all these facts, let's now bring you before. if you are the counterpart to this guy named starr from years ago, let's put you in the hot seat. especially because there are some fair questions, that fair-minded people should want to know. >> harris: like what? give me one. >> what was your relationship with the whistleblower? because that was a blur, in order to be pristine, to be immaculate, that whistleblower, he or she needed to go to the inspector general. and not go trotting up to capitol hi

you had on your program ken starr sitting in the same share this gentleman is sitting in and ken starr was proud to say he investigated bill clinton for five years. their investigation was the equivalent of the mueller investigation and it lasted for five years and came back with 12 indictments after five years. also, the investigation was led by republicans, which of course was the opposite party of bill clinton. now we have the mueller report, which lasted less than two years and was republicans investigating a republican president, handed it over to a republican attorney general, who without letting anyone see the whole thing, made the conclusion, which turns out to be false, that there was no obstruction of justice. i wanted to speak to the fairness thing. in the mueller report, it came back with over 20 indictments in less than two years investigation, yet the whole time republicans were screaming this thing lasted too long, this is been going on too long. when you had ken starr come back in 1994 after five years with only 12 indictments and it was about a land deal in arkansas. i

ken starr put forth to the senate judiciary committee the 11 allegations against president clinton. assed four articles of impeachment based on the starr report that was transparent, subject to cross-examination in public. it was a public hearing. and two of those articles passed the house. what mueller did was investigate the president for two years, spent $25 million, and did not recommend any action. that's the difference. reporter: when it comes to impeachment messaging, it seems like the white house's team multiple times -- sen. graham: have you noticed? reporter: at this point, are you confident you guys are on the same page? is it the hill now leading this messaging strategy? sen. graham: so, i talked to chief of staff mulvaney. i think they're working on getting a messaging team together. you know, i was involved in impeachment of president clinton. i know this sounds weird, but clinton, look what he did. what he did is he had a team that was organized, had legal minds that could understand what was being said versus the legal proceedings in question, and they were all messag

you want to be ken starr. be we ken starr, come to the judiciary committee, be the first witness and take every question asked of you. >> folks, this aing ain't over t ready. reporter: they are getting ready, republicans and democrats are ready for this. the hot one on the list john bolton, they requested he appear, his lawyers said he would not show uh-u unless he is subpoenaed, and they will also get transcripts of the close-door meetings. elizabeth: or ignore subpoenas, that is what democrat say that republicans are doing. we bring in representative sense so-- your reaction to the vote. >> it is shameful what the democrats did today is deny the president of the united states, an opportunity to present a defense to what adam schiff and nancy pelosi are doing. what has been going on in secret in the scif, is behind closed-doors. it is one sided. and people are coming and testifying their impressions of the phone call that president trump made to the president of ukraine. he release a transcript of that. they

ken starr put forth to the senate judiciary committee allegations against president clinton. passed four articles of impeachment based on the starr report. it was transparent and subject to cross examination. two of those articles past the house. mueller investigated for two years and did not recommend any action. that is the difference. ? >> when it comes to impeachment messaging, it seems like the white house has changed course multiple times. you confident that you guys are on the same page? is that the hill now leading this messaging strategy? >> i spoke to mick mulvaney. getting theking on messaging team together. in thenvolved impeachment of president clinton. look what he did. team that was organized, had legal minds that could understand what was being said versus the legal proceedings in question. and they were on message everyday. president clinton defended himself but he never stopped being president. i think one of the reasons that publicived is that the may not have liked what he had done, but they believed that he was still able to do his job. that was probably t

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is referring to is the model that was used in 1998 when the house judiciary committee called then ken starrthe independent counsel investigating president clinton and had ken stark to questions and then you're david kendall who was president clinton's attorney turn and ask questions of ken starr. that was a remarkable moment. republic curtains are seeing who is the accuser if we were to follow that model from 1998? as it adam schiff question mike is at the whistle-blower? who could we pose questions too. here's the dirty secret if you get down into the nitty-gritty of this resolution it gives pretty good latitude to the house intelligence committee to continue to run this investigation. they may never get to a hearing stage with the judiciary committee, the judiciary committee ultimately will write the articles of impeachment but all of the actual hearings might just happen in the house intelligence committee. what we know so far is that adam schiff is still running this investigation. listen. >> i make no prejudgment as to whether not a remedy will warranted when we finish these hearings.

i had more fun slapping ken starr around than most anything i've ever done in my life. the second thing we did is we trivialized the charge. i mean, come on, guys. the third thing we did is we kept the base intact. the only thing i've seen them doing is keeping their base intact. well, their base alone is not going to win. lindsey graham, i'm going to quote him. said the president was defiant. he just kept saying he did nothing wrong, did nothing wrong, over and over. he went on to say, i went against the clinton people, and they were good. i told the president, we got to get better. being a dog howling at the moon at the mainstream media and the clintons, you control the justice apartment and the state department, if something is wrong, investigate it. you have the entire power of the united states government behind you. if she was doing whatever, investigate. you have fbi, cia, everything in the world. article from january 20 17 -- go do it. law --was breaking the of course, we heard ad nauseam, ad infinitum about the stupid but i'm just saying as someone who has seen

you want to be ken starr? beacon star. come to the judiciary committee.e first witness and take every question asked of you. [applause] starting with your own involvement with the whistleblower. folks, this ain't over. get ready. the cloud that is dropping will be dropping on their heads, because process matters, and substance will always win out in the end. and this president has nothing to worry about on substance. i yield back. [applause] >> congress will go back to their districts for a week. tomorrow will be november 1st. one year before -- >> harris: all right. you heard my call to listen to represented of doug collins. did you hear what he just said? he has now called the chairman of the house intel, adam schiff, as a witness in front of the house judiciary. he said, "this is far from over." literally, on the left, the left side of the screen when we split them out, the democrats now are taking questions from the media. we've been toggling back and forth. our team will tell me if we want to do that. meanwhile, there is a lot of meat on the bones to

you want to be ken starr, be ken starr, come to the judiciary committee, be the first witness and take every question asked of you. starting with your own involvement with the whistleblower. folks, this ain't over. the get ready. the cloud that is dropping will be dropping on their heads because process matters and substance will always win out in the end and this president has nothing to worry about on substance. i yield back. >> congress will go back to their districts for a week. tomorrow will be november 1st. one year before voters cast a vote not just for congress but for president. it's unfortunate in this congress when they go back, they'll run on a reelection of having more subpoenas than laws and not trusting the american people to actually have the choice. the vote today was bipartisan not to move forward. we have a speaker of the house who said that impeachment would drive the country apart, it would have to be bipartisan. there was one clear voice on where this congress believes this should go. there's nothing the president did to be impeached. it's simply based upon electi

the law is sacred. >> meanwhile, ken starr had been digging into the clintons for more than two years>> are you going to be working for congress or the courts or the public? >> his investigation was winding down. >> i'm not going to be making any statements. >> then out of the blue, some explosive tape recordings came his way. >> i never expected to feel this way about him. >> conversations with monica lewinsky. >> we fooled around. >> that were secretly recorded by her co-worker, linda tripp. >> if you get to orgasm, that's having sex. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. >> no, it's not. >> starr expands his investigation even further to look ininto lewinsky. >> my reaction is that's nut. i couldn't believe that starr was going down this road. >> do you understand, sir, that your answers to my questions today are testimony that is being given under oath? >> yes. >> starr learned that the president was testifying about lewinsky in another matter. >> it's just humiliating what he did to me. >> a sexual harassment lawsuit brought by paula jones. >> your testimony is subject to the penalty o

what's unique about this particular situation is we don't have a ken starr. we don't have a special prosecutor building the case, right. these committees are building the case. it will be turned over to the judiciary committee. the president has been afforded all kind of rights before the judiciary committee. as the fair process. it's an open and transparent process. we're at the next stage here, the gathering of the everyday is coming to a close. it is now time to present the evidence to the judiciary committee and the american people. here is a road map. we will explain, have an some hearing here today, we are explaining how we will do this. the question on wood jaul. mislesco, you hading? ? >> thank you, mr. chairman. you know, i support this amendment. i just disagree with you. this is not what you have set forth here is not an open and fair process. because you are giving some of the rights that were afforded to nixon and clinton under both republican and democrat leadership in just the judiciary committee. but there's a huge difference. under those impe

clinton's people got to interview people during the ken starr thing. why not do it? >> i don't know what the political motivations are at play. right now what they are try doing is conduct most of this investigation through the house intelligence committee, which has the purview over this. it could be that by formalusiiz formalizinging it would transfer it to the judiciary kmuty. either way they've invoked this power. it doesn't mock a difference in terms of the grounds in which they're pursuing this. if trump really wants a forum in which to clear his name, that's what the senate trial is for and what he's arguing for is a full-fledged trial, not that house has any obligation, just like a prosecutor wouldn't have a ford the perspective defendant to present witnesses in front of a grand jury. >> there are two practical problems. arguably three but i'll save one for the follow up. one, even if you had that subpoena power, the way it works in committees is the majority can over rule whatever the minority wants to subpoena and the reason they can do that is because your

clinton's people got to interview people during the ken starr thing. why not do it? >> i don't know what the political motivations are at play. right now they are trying to conduct most of this investigation through the house intelligence committee, which has the purview over this. it could be that by formalizing it, it would then, you know, transfer it to it the judiciary committee. but independent not sure if that's necessarily the reason. i think that either way they've invoked this power. i don't think it really makes a difference in terms of the grounds on which they are pursuing this. and, you know, if trump really wants a forum in which to clear his name, that's what the senate trial is for. what he's really arguing for is that he wants a full-fledged trial, not that the house has any obligation, just like a prosecutor wouldn't have an obligation to afford a perspective defendant to present witnesses in front of a grand jury. >> jimmy, the legal optics aside, the two for you to deal with are this. one, even if you had that subpoena power, the way it works in c

host: let me ask you about your former colleague, ken starr.eadline in "the examiner" -- "trump showed poor judgment but that is not a crime." he was on fox last week and i want to give you a chance to hear that and let you respond. >> i say that because impeachment is doomed to fail given what we know. obviously the facts are flowing in. in the history of the country, obviously presidential efforts to impeach do not work. that we know. but gets what -- but guess what, of the 62 impeachment resultedgs, eight have in convictions. this is not going to result in a conviction, so why are we on the impeachment train? we should be on the oversight calling it --t and quit calling it impeachment, especially since there is something profoundly wrong under our constitution to call it impeachment, that we are on a formal impeachment inquiry. no, with all due respect, until the house of representatives vote as a body to conduct an impeachment inquiry or investigation, there is simply action by committee that has been sanctioned by the speaker. it sounds li

ken starr? >> i will say this. it's very, i think, questionable that from what we know there was a blur as relationships, without intelligence committee. that is a very polarized committee that is not following the process, as my understanding of the process. but it certainly was not a wise thing to do on the part of it was a ploy, and and a politicid visit. if there was a blur, whoever he or she is, had said "i don't think i'm having a fair hearing or getting a full hearing from inspector general," there is no suggestion that i know of. at a minimum, why not go to the senate intelligence committee, which has a far different reputation? in terms of fair rent dominic fair mindedness reasonableness. >> harris: i'm wondering if people know that or if you don't just go wherever you go. >> excuse me for interrupting. whistle-blowers for the process. they know, you know as a federal employee we right side. you are advised of those rights, and you can read about those rights. this is not hidden. this is absolutely clear,

ken starr, great to see you. coming by today. >> sandra: thank you. >> i spoke to my counterpart a few days ago and warned them if they do this incursion which we oppose we'll see everything from the release of isis prisoners to humane tehran catastrophe and damage u.s. relations with turkey. all this is playing out exactly as we predicted. we know and believe that the turks now intend to go further south than originally expected and to go both west and east. >> that defense secretary mark esper putting turkey on notice as we learn hundreds of isis sympathizers, women and children escaped. the kurds reaching a deal brokered by russia to partner with syria against troops from turkey. got that? lucas tomlinson live from the pentagon. >> defense secretary esper says the situation gets worse than the hour. he said president trump ordered all u.s. forces in northern syria to pull back from the border and away from the russian and iranian-backed forceers moving north and the turkish forces moving south. the turkish inv

ken starr put forth to the senate judiciary committee the 11 allegations against president clinton. we passed four articles of impeachment based on the starr report that was transparent, subject to cross-examination. it was a public hearing. two of those articles past the house. what mueller did was investigate the president for two years, spent $25 million, and did not recommend any action. that's the difference. >> reporter: when it comes to impeachment, it seems like the white house was changed course multiple times. >> have you noticed? >> at this point are you confident that you are on the same page? >> i talked to chief of staff mulvaney. i think they are working on getting a messaging team together. you know, i was involved in impeachment of president clint president clinton. i know this sounds weird. but clinton. [laughs] look what did. what he'd did his he had a team that was organized, had legal minds that understand was being said versus the legal proceedings in question and they were on message every day. president clinton defended himself but he never stopped being presi

star -- ken starr. the problem with the whistleblower is you don't have a face. starr, you could see what you are looking at. you can say this is a trivialized thing, people are way more concerned about what might happen in the ukraine than did withbill clinton monica lewinsky. than youro get more base, you are scratching the bottom and i think -- i know we have a lot of trump people here, but i don't think strategically it is serving your interest very well. >> we are going to have a chance -- mr. hannity: can i add one thing? james is really good at what he does, he is a formidable strategist and a battler and i admire him for it. , donaldot to remember trump, keep underestimating him. theicked the shit out of bush dynasty and he kicked the shit out of hillary clinton and nobody saw that coming. james is saying, republicans are nervous. how do you think the 40 house trump-won districts are feeling if nancy pelosi and the corrupt fact witness in the case running soviet union style impeachment hearings, how do you think those 40 democrats are feeling? mr. carville

joining me now, ken starr, former independent counsel, fox news contributor. want to read you something from bill taylor's testimony. by mid-july it was becoming clear to me that the meeting president zelensky wanted was conditioned on the investigation of burisma and the interference in the 2016 election. it was also clear this condition was driven by the irregular policy channel that was guided by mr. giuliani. did taylor actually advance the democrats case that trumps conduct was impeachable? with that? >> absolutely not. we are in the context of the president's conduct of foreign relations. you are right, he's a disrupter and he chooses to use a different avenue -- is that wise or not? that's a policy squabble. i simply don't think we are in impeachment land at all and i would add to your observations about the whole process, speaker pelosi needs to call for the vote, now more than ever, especially since we are hearing from the senate side that the process is being viewed as illegitimate. all the more reason why not just adam schiff but speaker pelosi need

but that's pretty much what happened as far as i know from the memo ken starr wrote. dahlia: first, i think i want to say something, because what you are saying does gel so importantly with the story that justice ginsburg always tells. i know she is speaking later. but she is always at great pains to talk about the men who supported and allied themselves and helped her. just an important piece of this, you know, when he get on our sort of girl power soapboxes about the first justice, to really understand that without having male allies, which justice o'connor had extraordinary friendships and relationships with men who were really willing to go to bat for her. i think they are an unsung part of the story. but now i just want to ask jay. it is becoming manifest in your family that this is coming. salmon mousse notwithstanding, what was it like realizing you were just about to barrel into the biggest thing that could ever happen to anyone? jay: it went in phases. when the seat opened up, the campaign promise had been made before and the seat opens up and then the discus

let's bring in ken starr, fox news contributor and former special counsel.ood morning to you. >> good morning. >> sandra: thank you for being here. he has arrived behind closed doors, lawmakers have a chance to ask him further questions on these text messages that appear to be at the center of it all. to remind everybody this was bill taylor in a text message to gordon sondland. as i said on the phone he writes i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. to which gordon sondland replied i believe you're incorrect about president trump's intention. the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind. we know that went offline and a phone call followed that text conversation. lawmakers will be asking him about those text messages. where will they get with this? >> well, what we do know is that this is a very distinguished career diplomat and no reason to believe his testimony won't give his version of the facts. what we also know, sandra, we're outside. we're behind this veil of ignorance because of the

ken starr responds to exactly what that means. what are they trying to hide? next. ♪ >> adam schiff trying to run a kangaroo court. why is he continuing to limit access to members of congress. >> laura: that was congressman matt gaetz after adam schiff kicked them out from impeachment hearing today. he tried to sit in of the security council on russia which was being held of course behind closed doors. but having one republican sit and on the secret hearing proved to be too much for adam schiff. >> we want to make sure that the investigation and not to give the president or his legal minions the opportunity to tailor their testimony and in some cases, fabricate a testimony to suit their interests. >> laura: oh, is that it's, adam? joining us now, ken starr, andnd former doj prosecutor, another day and another closed-door hearing. should americans be worried here? about how any political party, this happens to be the democrats this time. this time, ten hours of testimony. >> there should be deep concerns. in america, we do not believe in secret trials. remember

you want to be ken starr? be ken starr.he judiciary committee, be the first witness and take every question asked of you. [applause] >> folks, this ain't over. get ready the cloud is dropping will be dropping on their heads because process matters and substance wins in the end. reporter: house speaker nancy pelosi and lead man heading probe adam schiff pushed back gop claims blocking questions, blocking republicans from asking questions and banning some of them from depositions. >> those that have complained about the lack of access to the depositions, most of the members who have been permitted to attend, failed to attend. the resolution will permit me as the chair, to begin releasing transcripts of the depositions. i think that you will see when those are released just what equal opportunity members of both parties have had. reporter: we're learning charles a group of house republicans will head to the white house later today to meet with the president. charles. charles: thank you very much. joining me republican from ari

you want to be ken starr, be ken starr. come to the judiciary committee. be the first witness and take every question asked of you. >> what do you make of that? >> first off, they can ask any colleague they want on the floor. second of all, be careful what you wish for. doug collins, find me. he won't win a battle of wits with adam schiff. you want an open process? you're getting one. we want a formal vote on inqu y inquiry. you're getting one. we want the president to be able to question witnesses in the room. you're getting that. you know what they're never saying? he's innocent. >> some of them are. >> mr. collins isn't. his deputy secretary of state today under oath said yes, it would be against our values to ask a foreign government to intervene in our elections. own deputy secretary of state, guy he's putting up to be ambassador to russia can't abide by what this president is doing. why? it is offensive. >> two democrats voted against it, both of them from trump districts, peterson from minnesota, went 2-1 and the other from southern jersey, trump wo

for more, ken starr, former independent counsel on the fox news contributor. let me ask you about the strategy from the president and the trump white house asking pelosi to call a vote to put everybody on record. a lot of statements to the fact that the democrats are saying they're for impeachment but they haven't had to take a vote. and the white house is saying unless there is one, they're not going to comply with the documents. does that pass legal muster? >> it certainly raises a very serious legal question. whether it passes is going to depend on the courts, of course. here's the point. there's a knowing and willful departure by the speaker of the house of representatives from uninterrupted tradition. who cares about tradition? traditions are important i think in informing the way a government operates in a constitutional republic. i think it's deeper than that. it's accountability and responsibility. this is the people's house. 435 members. they should have the opportunity and the responsibility to debate and vote on something as great as the possible im

, you offered all these considerations in the impeachment of bill clinton, 11 specific felonies, ken starr. that's process. i read the transcript. i see a president demanding answers to election interference by ukraine and helping hillary and i see a president saying why on earth vice president demand the firing of a prosecutor paying his kid -- he's not a kid, nearly 50 -- millions of dollars for no experience -- none whatsoever. no, no, i don't know why they paid me. really? >> look, the situation is absurd. hunter biden -- and this is what the democrats have not thought through. hunter biden sooner or later is going to be put under oath and sooner or later they're going to say to him "how much did you make in ukraine? how much did you make in china? what did you do for it?" all these things relate back to where we are right now but i think we're at a unique moment, i'm glad you had lindsey graham on because i think his leadership set the stage for today's announcement by speaker pelosi and here is the key to this. does pelosi now take seriously the senate resolution? in which case she's

you had on your program ken starr sitting in the same share this gentleman is sitting at and ken starr proud to say he investigated bill clinton for five years. their investigation was the equivalent of the mueller investigation and it lasted for five years and came back with 12 indictments after five years. also, the investigation was led by republicans, which of course was the opposite party of bill clinton. now we have the mueller report, which lasted less than two years and was republicans investigating a republican president, handed it over to a republican attorney general, who without letting anyone see the whole thing, made the conclusion , which turns out to be false, that there was no obstruction of justice. i wanted to speak to the fairness thing. in the mueller report, it came back with over 20 indictments in less than two years investigation, yet the whole time republicans were screaming this thing lasted too long, this is been going on too long. come backad ken starr in 1994 after five years with only 12 indictments and it was about a land deal in arkansas. upust wanted to

you had ken starr. >> what do you mean it's not a fair comparison. >> you had ken starr as a specialere or whatever you wanted to call it then by statute. >> do you know what the difference between the two is? richard nixon committed the crime by using the intelligence community by playing political games and you had bill clinton who lied to a grand jury. they also both committed crimes prior it the impeachment choir ri -- choinquiry moving forward - >> there is a specific requirement. >> no, there is not. >> what is impeachable? a high crime or misdemeanor. >> i'm sorry, i thought you asked me a question. you're like me, you ask me a question and then you answer it. >> high crimes and mi sdemeanor? why didn't they list murder, kidnapping? >> those are crimes. >> of course they are but they expect prosecution of those things. this is about removal of politicians for political crimes. >> abuse of power is about removing a politician for police call mo -- political motives. it had already been shown. >> arguably that's true here also. >> no, it's not. >> tell me what he has done. they'

we were forced to act by a report from the independent counsel with ken starr that says bill clinton guilty on 11 counts and when i watched and looked at bob mueller's report, i waited for the word guilty and it didn't show up one time. so pelosi doesn't have any kind of core independent counsel with 11 counts of being guilty. we have looked at that and decided henry hyde and his chairman of the judiciary committee, we sent jim rogan up to new jersey to sit down with peter rodino, who had been the chairman of the democratic -- the democratic chairman of the impeachment committee under nixon, and he who walked rogan through how to do it so it was fair, it was open, it was worthy of the american people, it reinforced the constitution. we adopted every single rule that road you know used in 1973. it was so bipartisan that catbird, the democratic leader, held a joint press conference with me on a bipartisan basis to say that we were going to print the entire reports of the american people could see it. the opposite of the way that speaker pelosi has done this. it's doing all right. trump

we went after ken starr. >> jessica: does anybody think this is going well for the president?is will? >> melissa: judging from that applause line yesterday -- >> jessica: to remove police chiefs? okay, what about the country? we are all his constituents. >> melissa: is a remove police chiefs, it's not a rally. i just love that was interesting. >> dagen: what did carville say, they went after ken starr and framed them in a way? what is president trump doing with adam schiff? >> harris: we don't know exactly what their plan is going to be yet. we've got to watch. >> dagen: hundreds of facebook employees sending an angry letter to ceo mark zuckerberg about the way the social media giant is handling political ads. what they are demanding, next. ♪ and they lived happily ever after. the end. the end might not be as happy as you think. after all, 4 out of 5 people who have a stroke, their first symptom is a stroke! but the good news is you can rewrite your ending and get screened for stroke and cardiovascular disease. life line screening is the easy and affordable way to make you awa

with clinton you had an independent counsel, ken starr, that did his investigating in private and then gave it to congress. you do not have that here. here you have congress doing the investigating. so -- >> no, congress is not doing the investigating, chris. nancy pelosi and adam schiff are doing the investigating. >> that's your spin on it. but congress is doing it and doing it the way the laws allow. >> you can't say that. >> are there no republicans in that room, councilman? >> they are but they are being denied access to the information you and i are talking about. >> they have access, can ask questions and get equal times. >> go ask jim jordan and devin nunez, go ask them if they have been given copies of the transcripts of testimony. >> maybe they're not ready yet. they're supposed to be present at the deposition and they're supposed to get transcripts when they're ready. >> the information that is being collected in that room is supposed to be available to everybody member of the u.s. house of representatives. there are 435 of us here. >> do you know whether the transcripts hav

someone who knows a thing about impeachment is ken starr, the independent counsel whose investigation1990s led to the impeachment of bill clinton. he was a fox news contributor and he joins us from houston. thank you. >> my pleasure. you are the only living person who is led an investigation that led darkly to the impeachment of a sitting president. from what you've seen so far of the evidence of been assembled against president trump by the house of representatives, do you think what you've seen rises to the level of impeachment customer. >> i do not. it is ultimately a judgment call for the house of representatives but given what we have seen i think the president did not exercise good judgment in the call, i don't think he's exercising good judgment now. but that is why we have electoral contests, that's why we have nominations and debates and finally in 13 months we go to the polls and that's a referendum under the president. we learned that in the clinton years, wait for the referendum and don't go to impeachment. >> would you say, you have to have something firmer, what would it