joining us now, ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico.lso joining us is ed goyes, he's also a pollster for the stop-trump pac. our principles. ken vogel, give us the lineup now inside the trump campaign, your reporting tonight about the big shake up. what is the organizational chart look like now? >> well, it looks like paul manafort, whose technical title is convention manager, has the keys to the campaign. not only does he have the keys to campaign, he has been given what we understand to be fuller access to the pursestrings of the campaign, that the trump campaign has authorized a budget for the coming month of $20 million. that's a lot more than we saw them spend in any previous month. we understand it's going to be going to staffing. that paul manafort and his deputy, rick weill, whose title is political director, will be bringing in their own staff in the states. california, critically the june 7th primary that could really decide whether trump is able to get over hump, that 1,237 delegates. and then also, advertising. that they're

let's go to ken vogel. the differential between previous and tonight. clearly he was trying to score points again and again. it was like a boxing match. >> yeah. a lot of it is stuff they have litigated in the past. they're clearly going after the -- it's like a fight and it's the same jabs that we're seeing over and over again. you could see that stick out to me was just how much on each other's last nerve they are. when bernie sanders would start to go into his attacks on hillary, she would laugh at him. she would bitter laugh and then he laughed at her when she started to raise the point about guns and she really went after him. it just goes to show you that this is a long campaign. we're winding to the end. everyone else sees how it's playing out that bernie sanders is not going to win and this was his last chance to really make a statement before a big primary and i don't know that he really did. >> his favorite punch was you called them out on wall street. that must have really hurt them. was that before or after you took their money. the money sh

ken vogel is covering the campaign for politico. welcome back to the program. it's great to be with you. fernando: now, you have been reporting on the trump campaign a lot. there have been some staffing changes, some of the ad libbed elements to the campaign are going away. what's actually happening? what is the thinking inside of the campaign? ken: well for a long time, as you suggested, there was a small staff of mostly inexperienced or antiestablishment operatives who are around trump, and their basic strategy was, as the campaign manager put it, let trump be trump. that is not to script too much, not to put too much money or effort into infrastructure on the ground. there is a sense that that approach has gone as far it can go, and in order to go further and clinch the nomination either in the last contests on june 7 or at the convention, you need a more professional experienced team that's going to put a lot of time, energy and money into courting these delegates on a county by county, state by state basis and ultimately on the convention floor. fernando:

let's go to ken vogel. the differential between previous and tonight.ying to score points again and again. it was like a boxing match. >> yeah. a lot of it is stuff they have litigated in the past. they're clearly going after the -- it's like a fight and it's the same jabs that we're seeing over and over again. you could see that stick out to me was just how much on each other's last nerve they are. when bernie sanders would start to go into his attacks on hillary, she would laugh at him. she would bitter laugh and then he laughed at her when she started to raise the point about guns and she really went after him. it just goes to show you that this is a long campaign. we're winding to the end. everyone else sees how it's playing out that bernie sanders is not going to win and this was his last chance to really make a statement before a big primary and i don't know that he really did. >> his favorite punch was you called them out on wall street. that must have really hurt them. was that before or after you took their money. the money she's been bought, s

that's being discussed. >> let me get ken vogel in here. go ahead, ken. >> i think we're going to see a number of proposals. i do think that it probably be tabled and we'll probably see additional proposals to come forward about how to change rules. with this proposal we don't have any sense as to who this is going to help. it will empower the delegates to some extent so there's the potential that there could be a wild card white knight type of candidate. but it could also lead to a situation where it takes just a very long time to process where we can almost see like a grid lock type of situation. so i think -- >> there are proposals that will come before the rules committee that will be more clearly intended to help one candidate or hurt one candidate in the case of donald trump. this is not that proposal as of now i agree. it's sort of interpreted as really a process, a parliament tear thing and it's unclear who it's going to help. >> which candidate are you supporting? >> none of them. i'm working with all candidates because i'm represe

. >> joining me, ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico, who wrote a fantastic piece on the lobbyists the trump campaign brought in. a great piece. it's almost like the thank you for smoking book and movie by the same name. if you were to create a cartoonish vision of what people's worst image of what a washington lobbyist does, the manafort operation is not that far from it. >> not only that, chris, not only do they represent all manner of sort of corporate criminals, accused corporate criminals, and industries that are regarded as unsavory in washington, manafort has pioneered taking this business model and making it international. representing just a host of characters around the world who u.s. foreign policy, the u.s. foreign policy community, frankly wants noing to do with. so much so that in 2008 there was a guy who was a long-time manafort aide, just brought into the campaign, a guy by the name of doug davenport, whose work on behalf of the purpose he's military giunta was seen as so unsavory that the mccain campaign distanced itself from him and he basically had

. >> joining me now in washington, ken vogel and indianapolis, republican strategist, pete. start off with you, which is a bigger endorsement in "the hoosier" state, having bobby night back you or governor mike pence? >> that's a good question. there are plenty of people in "the hoosier" state not that fond of bobby night. ask people who attend eed purdu university what they think about bobby night. with governor pence's endorsement, i think they're y saying, why not? and others, whatever, who they expected he would endorse in this race. and the timing seems off. >> timing seems off? ken, would you agree talking about folks in washington starting to come together behind donald trump? >> whatever you call it, if it's resignation or exhaustion fig fighting this never trump movement and seeing very little indicators it's making any inroads with voters, i think people are starting to come together. i think you heard that tone in governor pence's endorsement. he spent almost as much time prai praising donald trump as ted cruz. the feeling is trump is going to be the nominee and t

i want to bring in ken vogel.od seeing you. >> great to be with you. >> lots of moving parts from the democrats this morning. how would you summarize what has happened in the last 24 hours alone? >> things have escalated and it's because of the importance of the upcoming primary in new york. huge delegate haul, a big chance for bernie sanders to make this argument that he's been trying to make to superdelegates that he could beat the republican in a general election. that's i think what the unqualified gate, if we could put it that way, is about. making the argument to superdelegates bernie sanders could be a viable general election candidate because hillary clinton does have the democratic establishment sort of on lockdown and is looking strong headed into the upcoming primaries in new york and then pennsylvania. >> it seems like it all blew up for them in the past, you know, 24, 48 hours. and that whole issue of who's qualified or not for being president. you know, it wasn't something that they had confronted he