chris, when i spoke with amy, any of us could be amy and any of us could be ken white.all drive on freeways. >> good point. >>> one husband, three wives and 24 children. the family that inspired the hbo series "big love." they are central to a documentary we have coming up on hln tomorrow night. south korea. >>> we tend to think we know everything these days because of the internet, but there are still secrets and one is buried along the border between arizona and utah. there's a community there that you will not believe exists, and it's a secretary of the mormon church. warren jeffs led it and he is behind bars with good reason, but if you think the group is gone, the extreme polygamists, you are wrong. they say jeffs has done damage to the lifestyle they embrace. >> valerie and vicky are more than sister lives, they are twins, and alina and vicky court joe at the same time and shared their wedding day. >> i really grew to love her. there are jealousies. i have my share. >> a lot of love. wouldn't trade it. >> joe, vicky, valerie and alina, part of the family that insp

ken nose and kept out. there was one you all famously remember that during my time at the white house i dealt with some interesting storylines. one of them involved a young intern, and then the ken starr report -- does that ring a bell with anybody? and after that came out, not long after that came out, the president of the united states was out playing golf, and he was out on the first tee and he had a big cigar in his mouth. and the reporters, the photographers, came to me, showed me the picture and said, okay, what are you going to do about this? and i said,, i shook my head and i said, okay. and they said you get one free pascoe and those with the guys, the shooters, some of them that you write about in the book at that point. they said but if it happens again, you're toast. [laughing] that's an interesting story because it kind of reflex a time in which the press, which ken is a part of, the white house, the public relations communications operations at the white house, they work in some manner of synchronous midi. we did not declare them enemies of the people. we are at a perilous time now because we don't h

let's turn to ken thomas, white house reporter for the associated press. good afternoon, ken. your take on where we are with this? >> it is an interesting investigation that we pursued. we found more than 80 u.s. officials, who had been contacted, who had been spammed by fancy bear, and only a handful of them were actually given a heads up from the fbi. that they have been targeted in this way. many of these officials were in some cases former ambassadors. in some cases law-enforcement national security, and they sai said, we really would've liked to have known long ago that we have been compromised. >> shepard: what you think about michael flynn, help our viewers understand, why does, no longer cooperating with the president and his team. it's an indication that something significant has chang change? >> usually when you are on the legal side, you will communicate to the white house lawyers have been in touch with michael flynn's lawyers in the pass and they share information. when you know longer do that the concern is that if he is close to cutting some sort of deal, they w

the tv recently attended a book party for ken walsh, chief white house correspondent for u.s. news and world report for his most recent book ultimate insiders: a history of white house photographers. their access to the president. this is about 45 minutes. >>. [inaudible conversation] this is great, a lot of familiar faces. we're going to have some white house photographers and white housefolks and people who've covered all this stuff i do have . i'm glad you're here. we're going to have a couple of comoments and stuff. thanks for coming. nice to see you. [inaudible conversation] thanks for coming. you got 3in okay, the construction and the traffic? >> great. thanks for coming.thanks for coming. good, i'm glad. i'm going to spring talk on you too late in the game but you have tv folks here. i'm in the other room. straight back, i see her back there but everything's good. we will throw you a couple easy question. thanks, susan. here you go. you can look in the index, you'll be happy. thank you so much. oh my goodness. there is, the great motivator. this is, we had lunch and thi

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ken, inside the white house according to "the washington post," there's a mix of feelings, one is fulla, can't even say the word russia and others that say i don't think there's anything here and there's nothing to fear, and in talking to my sources within the campaign, that there is nothing there and they're not going to find anything. what do you make of the mixed reactions? >> well, katie, if they're right, they don't have anything to fear. i recall hearing a friend of robert mueller saying if he was innocent, there was nobody he would rather have investigating him than robert mueller, but if he was guilty, there's nobody he would fear more than robert mueller. one thing frank was just describing is whether the president obstructed justice. that may go more quickly because it involves a limited scope of time and a limited number of people. the whole question of collusion is a much more sprawling investigation and it is just inconceivable to me that that could be wrapped up in one way or another before the end of the year, as ty cobb and other reporters have been saying. if you need

nbc white house correspondent chris ken welker has more on that tonight. >> reporter: tonight, commerce secretary wilbur ross fighting back after accusations he failed to disclose ties to a firm linked with top russian oligarchs, including russian president vladimir putin. >> i think it's just an example of the press trying to find anyt t silly to attack the president and somehow link him to russia. this is nonsense. >> reporter: the leaked documents were viewed by the international consortium of investigative journalists show ross owns a stake in navigator, one of their biggest customers is sibur, a russian oil firm owned in part by close associates of putin's, including his son-in-law and two other oligarchs who are targets of u.s. sanctions. ross says he disclosed those business ties. >> it was disclosed on the form 278 which is the financial disclosure form in my case three times. >> reporter: while ross indicated he intended to keep his partnership with navigator, he didn't disclose its connection to sibur or russia. >> i've asked for an inspector general investigation. i want all

he actually served as part of this transition and in the white house. >> ken, you know that thing thaterm in mathematics, something gets close to close to close. it keeps cutting the distance in half but it never quite hits. it's the theory of limits. that's what this case is like. it's so teasing because every time we get an account like this account which is probably totally true, but it never quite satisfies because you never quite get to that point where they were heard saying if you do this i'll do that. it's very teasing, very appetizing because it seems to get -- they're in a meeting. they talk about a certain topic. there was an offer made and pause, nothing. you'd go i'd like to know a little more here. that's the pattern. >> yeah. i don't think you have to get all the way there. we saw that in the manafort and the gates indictments where there's -- you know, there are foreign agent registration act violations, alleged tax violations, there are alleged money laundering violations. and what you have here already is the groundwork for a case that's similar to that, indictment si

statement decrying what they called selective leaking about this, but no response so far from the white house. >> ken, thanks very much. ken delanian, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter. >>> on capitol hill, the house ways and means committee finished marking their version of the tax cut bill as republicans forge ahead on their effort to overhaul the u.s. tax code. changes include keeping the adoption tax credit and final markings do not include a repeal of the obamacare mandate. the senate side, republicans are unveiling their own version of the tax cut plan but more than a few differences between these two dills. with all the changes happening on capitol hill i want to look into the tax rates and deductions that lawmakers are revi reviewing. to start, state and local tax deductions known at s.a.l.t. causing debate. according to the finance officers association around 30% use this deduction, particularly suburbs in states like new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, hurt by the removal of his tax break. the senate does, house limits some of the deductions to $10,000 in property taxes.

and we are joined by one of jonathan's colleagues as we welcome to the broadcast, ken thomas, also an a.p. white house reporter. jonathan, i'm told we have a sizable satellite delay between you and us, but i'll go ahead and ask, was there as much surprise on the trip as there was back here to hear the president's comments on china after running so hard against china in the campaign and as president saying he really doesn't blame china for what they have been up to economically, vis-a-vis the u.s.? >> reporter: there's no question, brian, that the president pulled his punches. we know night after night on the campaign trail, rally after rally, he accused china of manipulating the currency of healthy and terrible trade imbalance. he one night said china is raping our country. we heard none of that in beijing. instead, he flattered president xi and praised the skill of chinese negotiators. in the room, he repeatedly was set up where he had a moment to scold xi. he could have delivered this sort of tough negotiating deal maker tactic that he ran on and he didn't. instead, he said he didn't blame chi

you were also reporting and ken delaney confirmed that the white house has been vetting others for ciaus. >> it's interesting to me i think this is a smart change by the president in this respect. the president and the secretary of state have to sing from the same song sheet. no matter your politics here, if you don't have -- right? >> right. this will be a good move for donald trump in the white house. will it make sense for the state department, i don't know. >> tom cotton, the cia also in a weird way, some people thought pompeo was playing too much politics. cotton's got a very sort of clean cut reputation. >> i don't think anybody in foreign policy, the foreign policy arena on the conservative side has a stronger reputation than tom cotton does. pompeo, i would also add, republicans on capitol hill really trust mike pompeo a lot and that's been a big problem with state's relations so far. the people in the senate and the people in the house -- tillerson has been a new creature to them. >> there was no relationship. they didn't know him and frankly -- >> and he didn't try. if you ta

ken paxton, thank you, sir, for being here. appreciate t we also have with us, kevin diaz, with the "houston chronicle," the washington correspondent for them. and josh who is senior white house reporter for "politico." josh, today. republican ken paxton, thank you, sir, for being here. appreciate t we also have first go ahead. >> welcome, mr. attorney general. wanted to start by asking you about i think one of the programs or controversies you have been associated with most recently which is the daca program for dreamers. litigation threatened by your office appears to have spurred the trump administration into winding that program down. at a hearing just a few weeks ago in new york, a federal judge seemed very perturbed by the way the wind down was carried out. he called it, "unacceptable to me as a human being and as an american," and he also called the winding down of that program heartless. how do you react when you hear those kinds of comments about a policy change that many people feel that you set in motion? mr. paxton: daca is very similar to dapa. we had a lawsuit filed by our previous attorney general, who is now governor, governor abbott. as i was walking in

. >> what you can do as a political strategy is what the clinton white house did to ken starr which is really go after the special prosecutor and turn it as much as you can into a political fight around the legal fight. i'm not saying that's the smart or winning strategy. the funding thing is a red herring. but people like bannon, other like-minded trump allies want to make this much more of a -- an adhommen in fight against mueller. discredit him. we heard some of this. conflicts of interest, prosecutors on his staff had relatives who had given money. >> then they blinked. they stopped. >> there are some people who want to bring it back. the reason they blinked, it's a tough sell. muell ee mueller, my goodness, consummate law enforcement official. that's a strategy if they are getting nervous or desperate they could turn to. it's not the funding thing. >> how likely is that to work now? >> it will work with the base. >> it will not work with bob mueller, though, who i can attest to the fact he doesn't care about anything written about himself in the press and doesn't follow donald tru

here with us to talk about all of it, ken vogel, political reporter for "the new york times." annie carney is back with us, white reporter for politico. and mika oyang, former counsel on the hill. ken, show mercy on us and try to use short words and draw pictures with your language. what does this gold trader have to do with robert mueller and buy extension, i guess, donald trump? >> well, it has to do with putting pressure on mike flynn, the alleged scheme that you just sort of laid out there in the intro, wherein the turkish government or an intermediary would pay mike flynn $15 million to potentially help with the extradition of this gold traded trader and fethullah gulen, both of whom are rivals of or concerns to erdogan, the leader of turkey. if that is true, that is certainly contrary to u.s. foreign policy interests, that mike flynn would potentially seek to leverage his position to extradite, to win the extradition of these folks. that's something that u.s. foreign policy, we've already sort of discussed this, and, you know, joe biden was pressured by erdogan to bring both these guys to sort of facilitat

ken dilanian is here, "the washington post" white house bureau chief phil rucker. michael schmidt, washington correspondent for "the new york times" and former chief spokesman for the justice department matt miller is also here. matt, i'm going to start with the tweet that you sent out this morning that gave me a jolt. trump's doj tweets are like wattergate, out in the open instead of hidden in secret. the fact we could get used to it makes it even more dangerous. i heard from a longtime former senior justice department official who had served in the reagan justice department, both bush justice departments that this was the thing that this president has done that most reminded him of the nixon era and the damage being done to the presidency is serious, he says. >> the difference is richard nixon did all this in secret. president trump is doing it kind of right out in the open. there are the two biggest abuses of power that any president can do is try to use the justice department to persecute his political adversaries or try to get it to back off investigations int

philip rut gr white house bureau chief for "washington post" and heidi is white house reporter for u.s. today. ken, the transcript that was released last night was 243 pages. what were the highlights for you? >> the big take away was while carter page had been portraying this as a personal trip he made on his own it is very clear that he coordinated it with senior campaign officials and it is clear that he met with senior russian officials in moscow and reported back on the meetings. he did say he made clear that he was going in his personal capacity and the campaign manager at the time gave him permission in that capacity but it is clear that he got these meetings in moscow because he was known as a trump foreign policy adviser. he reported back to the campaign that his meeting with deputy prime minister of russia that that man supported donald trump and was interested in improving relations. it paints a much different picture than carter page portraying. >> it is different than what carter page has been saying but is there any reason to believe that carter page may have had a bigger role within

allegation something else comes out that tells us more about the misconduct of the white house and its under lings. >> keni know you take issue with it. let's just play it again and let the viewer decide. >> the saddest thing is that because i'm president of the united states, i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things that i would love to be doing, and i'm very frustrated by it. >> okay. so ken -- >> he's frustrated by it. what's wrong with that? the justice department isn't like any other cabinet office. it has deposited discretion that the president can't interfere with. and he can't touch. and he's frustrated by that. but that obviously states that he understands there's a difference here than everywhere else in the government. that strikes me as the kind of acknowledgment you'd like to see, even if it's phrased in his unique president trump way. >> that's outrageous. >> what's wrong with that? >> nixon felt that way. >> your interpretation, kep, is generous and certainly does a very benign

question that black americans were serving and dying in disproportionate numbers to white americans if you saw that ken burns documentary. >> in morning, john. stacy harris, published author as well and when you spoke about wanting to capture his essence and be sure that you are getting it and expressing things the way they actually were in debunking myths andnd so forth i'm in the process of ghostwriting a book and i've got that same obligation but even a little more finding their voice. what i'm wondering is when he started asking questions and they wereef asking how much mony for that did you ever consider an authorized biography or did you want to be totally free and support. >> request. what is are working on the book and ali's family and his lawyers found out that i was doing this one of his lawyers called and asked if i'd be willing to make this an authorized project in exchange they would give me access to the family and access to ali and they would take half the money to but that wasn't the issue for me. it was a question of what kind of book i wanted to write. if you're writing an offer his b

kimberly atkins, ken vogel, thank you for being with us tonight. >>> still ahead, the white house predictsuick end to the mueller investigation. there are indications this may be just getting started. "the 11th hour" is back after this break. my name is valerie decker and i'm a troubleman for pg&e. i am a first responder to emergencies 24 hours a day, everyday of the year. my children and my family are on my mind when i'm working all the time. my neighbors are here, my friends and family live here, so it's important for me to respond as quickly as possible and get the power back on. it's an amazing feeling turning those lights back on. be informed about outages in your area. sign up for outage alerts at pge.com/outagealerts. together, we're building a better california. >>> "the 11th hour" continues here on msnbc to talk about the latest russia headlines from a legal perspective i'm joined by jack sharman. he's now a criminal defense attorney. and paul butler, familiar face here, a veteran of the justice department and animist nbc legal analyst who dmou teaches at georgetown law. thank you

kimberly atkins, ken vogel, thank you for being with us tonight. >>> still ahead, the white house predictsuick b end to the mueller investigation. there are indications this may be just getting started. "the 11th hour" is back after this break. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise . >>> "the 11th hour" continues here. i'm joined by jack sharman, the special counsel for the house banking committee now known as the financial services committee during the white water investigation. he's now a criminal defense attorney and paul butler, a formerly federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst who now teaches at georgetown law. thank you for being here. jack, i want to start with you. we now have word that robert mueller's team spoke to the white house communications director, hope hicks. what does that mean to you? >> it means that the special counsel is moving both deliberately and very efficiently. the past criticisms of

white house meeting. cbs reporter on the political theater and the tweet that sparked yet another feud. >> reporter: ken, president trump fired off that tweet this morning aimed at the democrats. that's when their scheduled talks about funding the government fell apart. the president bashed the democrats for ditching them, and added if there is a government shut down, it will absolutely be their fault. president trump criticized democrats chuck schumer and nancy pelosi for failing to show up for a meeting at the white house. >> they've been all talk, and they've been no action. and now it's even worse. now it's not even talk. >> reporter: the congressional leaders were supposed to sit down and discuss solutions to avoid a government shut down. >> there are serious issues in front of us. we don't have time to waste. we don't have games to play. >> reporter: schumer and pelosi pulled out after president trump attacked them on twitter, and wrote, i don't see a deal. the president was on capitol hill earlier today, to rally republicans around a tax overhaul bill. >> i wish you could have been inside the room

ken dilanian. ashley, tell us the stories that you're hearing from inside the white house about how the staff is reactingecdotes to what they are participating or fearing from mueller. >> sure. so there's actually a pretty big debate going on inside and outside the white house about just how wide the scope of mueller's probe will be. i can tell from you you can talking to a lot of people inside the white house, people who work in the west wing every day is that they are -- they're actually concerned what's swirling around outside of hem, they're pretty calm. and the reason is they believe the assurances of ty cobb who is the white house lawyer inside the white house handling the russia probe that this all be over. ty cobb originally said he expected the focus on the president and white house to wrap up by thanksgiving. in an interview at the post last week he revised that timeline to say by the end of the year. they sort of tell us ty tells us it will be fine and we frustrate him. that said these people outside the white house and in the president's orbit who think it is a deeply naive view and there's n

white house in modern history. joining us now from our washington newsroom, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter kennd msnbc political analyst, ashley, let's start with you and get the politics out of the way. it's no secret that steve bannon and his orbit want jared kushner out of that white house. so when you read an article like this, the context of knowing that, what is your reaction? >> so i'm always a little skeptical of claims of jared's demise. i'm not saying it couldn't happen. we know that sort of no one in this white house is not expendable at the certain point. the president is not known for his loyalty, although if there is one group of people he's known to be loyal to, it's his family and jared by marrying in very much counts as family. i think you are right, there are a number of people those who you named who do want jared out. i think it's probably not helpful for jared generally if you have anybody whispering in the president's ear what bad advice jared is giving you. he was just in saudi arabia and still helping out the middle east. my understanding is he's keeping a low profile i

white house. a lot of people untrump's inner circle didn't expect to win that day. we knew about that. what is new here over the weekend from carol lee's reporting, kennian and other reporters who have been dogging the story, as you know, is that may have ultimately continued into the white house, jeff. >> i think that's the key, ari, is that the initial pieces of the russia investigation that robert mueller has addressed were for people who were part of a campaign but did not come with president trump into the house. that's not the case for michael flynn. he did come into the white house. his tenure was short, but he was there. it shows again how robert mueller is concentrating and bringing his investigation into pieces and people who are getting closer and closer to the president. that doesn't mean that michael flynn is going to flip, as one of your previous guests was saying. we don't know what he's going to say. we don't know what they have about him and what they might be charging him with, if nbc's reporting is right. >> we know that he offered to, quote, tell a story if he got fifth amendment protection. >> right. >> we do know that. >> fair e

bush white house and phillip bump political reporter for "the washington post" is here. ken delaney, let me start with you and talk about the potential ripple effects from the revelations that cart page, did tell hope hicks, cory lewandowski, the then campaign manager and jeff sessions, the sitting attorney general who's already wrapped around the axle of his own corrected testimony before the committees that oversee the justice department. >> nicole, i just think it makes it very difficult for the trump campaign, now the trump administration to argue that they were not aware that there were these russians circling around these people, they're calling them low level figures, i mean carter page popadopoul popadopoulos, carter page said i was just clearing it this with these just to avoid anywhere misunderstanding, but we heard that jamey gordon said he tried to block carter page from going to russia, because he realized it was a bad idea, it was a bad appearance, and that gordon went around him and we now know it was cory lew wan dlewen dow sky. so its much different than car

white house. >> you probably have seen this, another woman has come forward against senator al fran ken saying he grabbed her from behind while they were taking a picture. this is as he was a sitting u.s. senator. in your view what is the appropriate response at this point? should senator franken step down? >> members from both parties have said he should be referred to the ethics committee, senator franken himself have agreed with that, he's apologized, acknowledged it and owned it. i think that investigation should be allow today take place. but certainly this kind of behavior is inappropriate and unacceptable and unbecoming a member of the u.s. senate. i hope this investigation is allowed to take its full course and whatever the findings and the consequences are, i know that senator franken and the senate agree that's the best path for this to take. >> not to put you on the spot, why sit okay for everybody to say roy moore should be gone but not al franken. >> in the case of roy moore you have someone who as a grown man was preying on girls in his community, sexually abusing and assaulting the

ken disi high school in silver springs. staff members at the school say they found a student carrying a white powdery substance. when they within the to a conference room to inspect it, some of it spilled on the floor, at least five staff members reported feeling dizzy. the unknown substance still under investigation. president trump continuing his 12-day trip to si a.s knee south korea today. we have remained fateful friends through periods of challenge and have now is great opportunity. the president in sewell for a state dinner. the main focus is on growing activities. the president's next stops are in china, vietnam and the philippines. meanwhile first lady melania met with her counterpart. the two met in sewell for their own style of diplomacy, a friendship walkment the two first ladies met for the first time back in june when the south korean president visited washington. earlier melania trump spoke to a group of school children to promote her girls play, too. it's meant to give girls and boys equal access to opportunities. coming up, bad santa, a # 66 year old santa impersonator arrested on pretty seriou

photographs of gable, gary cooper, van heflin and jimmy stewart in white tie at romanoff's bar in los angeles. i want a place where the young princes of kensic lovers" can rub elbows with bankers and dancers and musicians, where fur coats can be flung aside, with the seeming carelessness of dietrich onstage. in short, a place that is charming and perfect. >> james: jeremiah lives in a dream world. he lives in a pipe dream. he lives in an edwardian world. he lives, basically, in the 19th century. and this is part of that dream, i think that jeremiah had, that he created as a child. you know, having to protect himself and protect himself from life. that world of perfection that i think he came closest to probably was stars. >> michael: stars, i think, was the embodiment of a vision that had been developing over time. very, very different from panisse. >> jeremiah: it reminds me of the first house i ever walked into in merida. well, this will be my sixth house, i think. and you can see it right away, exactly what you would do, because it's just telling you what to do. do a couple of renderings, put it on the market. >> john: at some point du

white house that they are amonger cooperating with white house lawyers, that's a sign flynn may be negotiating to cooperate with robert mueller. >> kenalways. the president's lawyers say they have no concern about michael flynn. here's the thing and you know this, jonathan, because you were on the campaign with him. besides jarrett and ivanka, is there anyone else who could have seen more, heard more, been on the inside of more than michael flynn? >> with the exception perhaps of hope hicks, no, probably not. flynn in the stretch run of his campaign was by his side night in and out. he introduced him at rallies, he spoke at the convention. in fact, the hillary clinton "lock her up" chant started with the michael flynn speech in cleveland. the president's lawyers have been projecting a sense of confidence. that's been their attack throughout. t ty cobb has been telling the president this is going to get wrapped up by thanksgiving. >> does the president believe him? >> the president has been willing to go along with it. certainly that thanksgiving promise has come and gone but he's been willing to play nice as he put it to people. he h

white house? and potentially the president? >> let's bring in our panel and msnbc danny. let's start with your reporting here, ken, and i was reading it before we came on air today. your head line reading trump dossier firm also supplied information in meeting russians trump team. >> yes, richard that stems from many nt views from lawyers in the trump meeting with veselnitskaya. and i think there has been some miss reporting and misunderstanding about what exactly she's been saying for sometime now where she got her information. and we wanted to make it clear, and we called her again this week, and she's telling us, and it's confirmed by a source familiar with the area, that she got the talking points from fusion gps this firm by former reporter. the reason this is interesting, getting a lot of attention, this same firm fusion gps compiled the infamous trump dossier, paid christopher steele to do it. they are saying those two cases did not mix. and this russian lawyer had no idea they were working on the dossier at the same time. now of course some questioning that and say this was polluted by russian misinformat

white house lawyer ty cobb. >>> let's bring in nbc news national intelligence reporter and national security reporter ken delanianso, the former acting director and nbc security analyst as well. the ranking member on the house intelligence committee was not happy with carter page and he spoke about it this morning. >> it was apparent right from the very beginning of the hearing that what carter page had been saying publicly was completely at odds with what he would later testify to and the documentary evidence that we were already in possession of. >> there was some contentious moments according to that transcript where schiff was pushing carter page on what he said and producing an e-mail, in effect, do you remember writing this. these contradictions and the e-mails they were in possession of, does that put page in any sort of legal jeopardy? >> i think it's certainly possible. carter page testified for five hours under oath for house committee without a lawyer. which is pretty extraordinary. and not generally recommended. and as you said, you know, he had to make some admissions that really contradicted his lon

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white house special counsel ty cobb told npr the interviews should be completed by thanksgiving or shore shortly thereafter. joining me now, ken dilanian and malcolm nance. all right, gentlemen, ken, i want to start with you. it's pretty obvious why bob mueller would be interested in talking to jared kushner, but what could the focus of the interviews with hope hicks and don mcgahn be? >> good morning, stephanie. these two senior white house officials appear to figure prominently in robert mueller's investigation into whether the president obstructed justice by pressuring james comey to go easy on mike flynn essentially and then firing comey when he didn't. mcgahn is crucial there because acting attorney general sally yates went to him, mcgahn, to warn that mike flynn had been lying about his conversations with the russian ambassador and was subject to blackmail. mueller will want to know exactly what mcgahn told the president about that because flynn remained in office for 18 days after that warning until it leaked and then he was fired. hope hicks, the communications director, was part reportedly of crafting that misleading

. >> let's bring in ken starr former independent counsel in the lewenski and white water investigations you think of the president of the united states say he was open to sending this new york terrorist to gitmo and called him an animal? >> nothing wrong with considering all options that's what the president should do. it is a nonstarter, the reason is gitmo was designed for enemy combatants taken into custody by our military in the overseas theater of battle. this horrible human being was committing crimes in the united states he was lawfully in the united states. should he have been here? obviously very bad judgments made along the way. he seems to have been radicalized entirely here. in any event, it's a u.s. crime by someone who is lawfully here. therefore, it's the u.s. justice system. brian: but it's an international conspiracy possible, why shouldn't he be labeled enemy combatant considering it's his doctrine and declaration says is he at war with us and we know al qaeda and isis is saying the same thing? >> absolutely. but he made it into the united states. once he makes it into

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best thing they can do in the white house is press ahead on the agenda and actually do the job they were e lekted to do, instead of getting tied up. >> van, do you buy what kenthis is standard? nothing to be concerned about in light of what we were talking with senator franken, jared kushner was there where dirt was promised. meetings with the russian ambassador. sort of this drip by drip by drip, edit after edit. >> well, i mean, i think a couple of things. certainly, it could be in the line of fire, at least in terms of trying to figure out what role did he play in advising his father-in-law to fire comey, which could be obstruction of justice. the bigger thing that is happening that nobody talks about enough is trump's overall management style is so reckless, it is now endangering his own family. if you decide you are going to put a complete novice in a position like this, that novice will make mistakes. that's reckless. if you decide to give that novice title of secretary of everything, which is what he is called because nobody know what is his job is, he is going to create mistakes. internal to the building, a teflon guy. you can't mess with him. how do

ripple effect that ken dilanian described upon learning that papadopoulos plead guilty to lying to the fbi this summer and has been cooperating with them ever since? >> i was in the white house last night meeting with -- >> let me guess. everyone was really zen. >> i wouldn't describe it as zen. that's not a word i would use. this didn't come up. >> why would it come up if they think people might be wearing a wire. >> there are no concerns like that. this is a -- >> there are no concerns that anyone is wearing a wire? >> this is a 30-year-old kid if you look at all the reporting from this. people who have been trying to bring up his own credentials, trying to build a portfolio for himself. kept getting shot down. attorney general, then senator sessions apparently shot this down and says according to "the new york times," i hope this is never discussed again. so they continue to go out there and do this. at the end of the day, the only collusion we have in the campaign with russians is the clintons. >> i just want to get your position clear in my mind. so your explanation is that he was too low level or that he was too incompetent? i don't understand your position? >> i

the secretary of state appearing at the press briefing at the white house today >>> still with us here on set at post 9, mike santoli and ken brown. we were talking about, i mean, so much of the story the last couple weeks has been about politics and tax reform. right now it's actually something much more plain vanilla, this rally, the level of corporate debt we've been seeing and whether, ken, as you guys kind of explored today, these are all signs that this is some kind of market top. >> sure. so you pointed out what jack vogel said earlier, right, he said, oh, returns are going to be low there the future. the problem is, we've all experienced this three or four years from now, you say, oh, yeah, we got 4% it wasn't 4%, 4%, 4% it was minus 20, up 11. >> right. >> minus 15. when it goes down, it's volatile that's what people need to be prepared for low returns are going to be what they are it's how we get there. you know, with the bond market, the spreads are so tight now the spreads are tight. there's not a lot of give there. interest rates are going up. the other thing that's happening, because rates were so low, all the

white house with more details for us. with a good saturday to you, jeff, what can you tell us about all of this? >> reporter: well, we know based on the reporting from ken dilanian and carol lee, this invitation came from a russian banker named alexander torshin. he's not just an ally of russian president vladimir putin, he also stands accused of having ties to russian organized crime. now, torshin we understand wanted trump to attend an event on the sidelines of a national rifle association convention back in may of 2016. kushner told other campaign officials to turn down the invitation but did not disclose that exchange to congressional investigators. now, kushner, you'll remember, was among the first of the trump campaign's inner circle to talk to congressional investigators about what he knew as part of their ongoing russia probe. here's how he defended himself at the time earlier this summer. >> since the first questions were raised in march, i have been consistent in saying that i was eager to share any information i have with the investigating bodies, and i have done so today. i did not collude with russia nor do i know of anyone else in the camp

white house correspondent jeff bennett who started this week. welcome to the nbc news family. >> thank you. >> nbc news analyst rick tyler and national political reporter for the "new york times" younssh alcinidor. ken delaney. ken, i need to start with you on this. i had to read us through everything that happened on air force one partly because we weren't -- more entirely, we weren't allowed to use the audio from the first set of comments. i was sitting there flipping through that and then listened to what the president had to say later. it didn't seem like he was actually walking back what he said initially when he did appear on camera about russian meddling. >> let's call it a half-hearted attempt to sort of respond to the criticism, and the criticism, kasie, has been about as intense as i have seen it. the reason is, i cannot convey enough how outside the norm what he did in terms of -- was in terms of criticizing these former intelligence officials, who are career officials. i mean, james clapper and john brennan may be democrats, i don't know, but they served presidents for decades. they have killed more terrorists than anybody in the trump white house, and what they see is a president trump

fighting the white house on who should be in control of the consumer financial protection agency right now, we'll hear from her in a little bit. >> what a soap opera that's been. >>> first, ken griffin sitting down with cnbc in a rare and exculusive interview what he thinks about bitcoin's record high and who could get burned from it, coming up. >>> cnbc sector sort is sponsored by sector spdr etfs. >>> wall street analysts are declaring gap as the winner of the holiday shopping weekend >> wow. >> with several firms saying gap and old navy were the biggest surprises. suntrust saying traffic to those stores was higher than it's been in years and old navy was the big winner followed by american express. that's a credit card company anyway, gap is trading higher by just about 1%. >> there's a retailer, i'm tell you this, there's a retailer called express, isn't there? >> that's what they meant. i was going to say the women's change now i think they have -- >> i mentioned this, i have a very good friend who's in the retail industry. he was telling me, we were together on thanksgiving, that foot traffic for his particular part of the business is very strong this year. >> courtney