general kenan evren, the leader of the military council that took over the coup, is 94 years old. he lives on the agean coast in retirement, and his health is pretty frail. his lawyers have argued -- and the same with his co-defendant, tahsin sahinkaya, who's also a general, who's 86 -- both their lawyers have argued their health is not sufficient for them to travel here. i have to say sahinkaya has not yet been accepted by this court. this first hearing is largely procedural. the test will be later on when testimony is required, whether the courts will allow them to do that by video link or whether the judges will reject the argument and demand that they appear in person. for those who've been pushing for this trial, in a sense, that doesn't matter. this was something that i don't think any turks believed could have happened, even up to three years ago. and outside that court in ankara, you have many people different on the left wing, which suffered most of the coup, posters of those hanged by the generals, a real chance to show that at last they feel they're getting the justice