george kennan, who i mentioned a couple of minutes ago, kennan eventually wrote a book called the delusionif nuclear weapons. that nuclear weapons are not usable battlefield weapons. there was really like poison gas, which had been used in world war i. if you release poison gas on the battlefield, the prospect was that was coming to -- going to cause injury to the forces just as it must delete, calls injuries to the enemy. if you drop the nuclear weapon on the battlefield, it would kill both sides and the conflict. therefore what kennan pointed out is that these are weapons which will be with is of mass destruction used against cities. and when harry truman met with stalin at the conference, he casually, after one of their sessions, went in and said we've developed a new more powerful weapon. this was i think the day after the first atomic bomb had exploded in the mexico desert. and stalin, who had started the manhattan project, knew exactly what he was talking about, and he said to him well, good. i hope you use it well. why couldn't the truman have gone to stalin with winston churchill,

>> i see george kennan as an arch-emergency man. he was prone to hysteria, oftentimes. when he was appointed ambassador in 1951 to the soviet union he insisted that the cia give him a cyanide pill because he was certain he would be kidnapped. he was a troubled man who knew russia extremely well -- language, history and so forth -- but then oftentimes had abhorrent views on his own country, whether views of race, of democracy, of the american experience, who was not helpful in interpreting his own country to the world. >> last footnote in that chapter is -- that's before all the wars. why did you mention this? >> because richard perle, among many of these other public- spirited foreign policy enthusiasts, are smart, well- intentioned men and women and i've worked with many, many of them. but oftentimes they're working under the gravest of self- deceptions -- the belief that any problem can be solved, that they have a short amount of time in government, and that they will indeed solve it while in power. and indeed this book mentions a lot of names of people i've worked wi

my name is kennan keller. counsel to the house judiciary committee come and chairman john conyers. we have the pleasure of welcoming all of you today to our panel on the history and neutrality of the 14th amendment. we would like to start the panel today by introducing india geronimo who was a recent law clerk for judge of the sixth circuit, who is a histone with respect to the 14th amendment and his foundation, support education on the amendment as part of the civic understanding of all americans. so i would like to give the podium to ms. geronimo to give us an outline of the key exhibits. >> good morning. i am india geronimo, director of the law collection of african-american legal history. on today's panel, market for justice, the centrality of the 14th amendment of the constitution, u.s. constitution is the key collection and congressman john conyers junior. today's panel commemorates the march towards justice exhibit at cbcs annual legislative conference. the march towards justice exhibit is he not going

who was george kennan, and when did you have this discussion? >> he was the primary russians scholar who was pivotal for the notion of containment, and he became in a steam academic. in 1981, i encountered him in moscow, where he had a less than healthy view. he was denouncing the reagan administration as childish to the soviets, warning them the new administration was belligerent and so forth, and that was troubling to your and fueled the in a fears of the soviets to begin with, and the debate was arranged were represented a contrary view. >> you basically say he was lionized by the media and the academic world, and what did you think of him in the aunt? >> -- what did you think of him then? >> he was prone to disparity. he insisted the cia give him a cyanide pill because he was certain he would get kidnapped. he was a troubled man who knew russia extremely well but and often had averaged views on his own country, and the american experience. >> the last note is i was discussing the new administration with richard perle and his own role during

i hearken back to the telegram in the cold war that george kennan offered when we were focused on communism, that the one thing ultimately that would order us is that in to defeat our enemies we become like them. we have got to come as security and a pretty good there is a way to do that, and a good example -- we have got to harmonize security and liberty. there is a way to do that, and a good example is taking off the shoes. host: you talk about americans being the eyes and ears of the community. where is the boundary between that and racial profiling? we had at the issue with juan williams making the comments on fox news saying he was uncomfortable when he saw muslims on an airplane how to -- when he saw muzzle on an airpla -- muslims on an airplane. guest: i am glad you raised that issue, libby. this can very easily slip into racial or ethnic profiling. this is quite suspicious behavior, as opposed to suspicious people -- there is behavior we ought to focus on. if someone is keeping som -- is leaving something behind in effort of fashion, multiple layers of clothing on a hot day, looking

i hearken back to the telegram in the cold war that george kennan offered when we were focused on communism, that the one thing ultimately that would order us is that in to defeat our enemies we become like them. we have got to come as security and a pretty good there is a way to do that, and a good example -- we have got to harmonize security and liberty. there is a way to do that, and a good example is taking off the shoes. host: you talk about americans being the eyes and ears of the community. where is the boundary between that and racial profiling? we had at the issue with juan williams making the comments on fox news saying he was uncomfortable when he saw muslims on an airplane how to -- when he saw muzzle on an airpla -- muslims on an airplane. guest: i am glad you raised that issue, libby. this can very easily slip into racial or ethnic profiling. this is quite suspicious behavior, as opposed to suspicious people -- there is behavior we ought to focus on. if someone is keeping som -- is leaving something behind in effort of fashion, multiple layers of clothing on a hot day, looking