the kennedys. brand-new pictures of the kennedys released by the kennedy library. president jack, first lady jackie, their kodak moment kids, caroline, and little john john. these pictures were shot at camp david, 50 years ago this week. and they include, look at this, this image of john john, this is a haunting image. john kennedy jr. pretending to fly marine one. he, of course, would die before his 40th birthday at the controls of his piper saratoga. joining me now is david gergen, cnn's senior political analyst. david gergen, wow. i know they're poignant. this is your word, the poignancy of photos here. with the pictures of john john, i want to talk about the last one here in a moment, you remember these days. >> i do. >> 50 years ago. and i know what strikes me when you look at some of these isn't necessarily the glamour of the kennedys, it is the formality. look at dad wearing a coat and tie and mom, of course, talking about jackie kennedy, certainly a different era, right? >> well, they were a glamorous couple and they maintained sort of standards of the time

so kennedy introduces not just more -- i think there were about 8,000 advisers when kennedy came in, quickly it became 35,000 advisers then ground troops, gradually ratcheting it i up. lbj, same thing. more and more combat troops but never going all the way. and eisenhower thought that was a big mistake. now, he always supported the presidents, ken canty and then johnson, because he was a great patriot, he believed in the presidency, but he said johnson is using me, trotting me out as a former president to support him when he didn't really support hip. he didn't like the anti-war protesters. you can imagine how dwight eisenhower felt about long-haired hippies and anti-war protesters. but he was not in favor of our strategy in vietnam. >> [inaudible] >> thank you. >> [inaudible] brought eisenhower in, and i thought -- [inaudible] he didn't want to tell kennedy don't do it. but he alluded to it. my question to you is do you think if he hadn't played that over again, he would have been stronger about -- [inaudible] >> yes. i think that eisenhower did a poor job of briefing kennedy on th

kennedy. one of the things i found after the nastiest campaign in the race against douglas which the fervor turn against him that shortly after that, he spoke with some kids at harvard and said i'm really glad mrs. douglas lost. so they were friendly. mix and supported his membership application to the country club and they invited the nixon's to the wedding when jack kennedy was laid up with a bad back injury nixon sort of helped the reorganization of the senate but she wrote to him and said you are one of the most wonderful people. so i won't call them friends. they were politicians no one is really friends in this business. >> o'neill and ronald reagan must have been friends. >> but they were friendly colleagues, roughly the same age and kennedy was playing rough. nothing was called back and he felt he was being roughed up. they were saying terrible things about him, it was a rough campaign and when it was all over people were still arguing about that and don't forget if he had won the illi

in it, we see a kennedy, joe kennedy, son of bobby and a former congressman himself, saying nice things about hugo chavez of venezuela. he says he's happy to do it. at the heart of it is kennedy's years of work to deliver heating oil to folks in new england who can't afford it. and there is more to this story as nbc's ron mott reports from boston. >> reporter: if it's cold where you live, chances are you have seen this ad. >> the bills keep piling up. and the heating bill gets pushed off. >> reporter: featuring former congressman joseph kennedy and his nonprofit, citizens energy. >> when we ask the biggest oil companies to help families in need, only citgo, the people of venezuela and president hugo chavez responded. >> reporter: it's a positive plug some say hugo chavez doesn't deserve. >> he's using citizens' energy in order to give his own government a face-lift or do a public service campaign. >> reporter: chavez's anti-american rhetoric over the years, he once referred to former president george w. bush as the devil at a u.n. speech, and alleged human rights abuses have led to fros

kennedy and to this day his death remains one of the most contentious accounts of official government narrative two thousand and three gallup poll found that seventy five percent of americans think that lee harvey oswald did not act alone and in fact j.f.k. his nephew robert f. kennedy jr has just come out and said that he's convinced that we're not being told the truth asserting that the warren commission was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship after decades of speculation it's a topic that director oliver stone boldly took on in his debut exposé entitled j.f.k. which some call the most comprehensive account of the events surrounding his death take a look. at the question you keep asking. if you take. these bomb boy. i mean like poison and i mean like a bullet my if you dig does that help you see my problem a little better. i am. tom daschle like bush. and bin shots right. cloak and dagger stuff you know they called it up we should. be ok did you just talk to us on the record we will protect you. sir. when i got the chance to speak to oliver stone himself about the film. we're explain wh

kennedy jr has just come out and said that he's convinced that we're not being told the truth asserting that the warren commission was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship after decades of speculation it's a topic that director oliver stone boldly took on in his debut exposé entitled j.f.k. which some call the most comprehensive account of the events surrounding his death take a look. at that question you keep. keep using. these bombs. i mean like clinton i mean like my if you dig does that help you see my problem a little bit of. a and. nationalize bush. and bin shots right. cloak and dagger stuff you know they called it up we should. be ok dave you just talked to us on the record we will protect you. right up the chance to speak to oliver stone himself about the film. we're explain why it's so hard to discern what really happened that day listen for yourself. these are the conclusions based on a huge amount of research but we cannot ever prove anything in the movie practically because there's been so much blur you know the facts of which disappearance the autopsy among them the bullets the

kennedy. one of the things i found after nixon's campaign bus but douglas -- campaign with the douglas he spoke with some kids at harvard and said i am really glad that mrs. douglas lost. but mix and supported kanaby's membership application to the burning tree country club and jack and jackie invited them to the wedding when jack kennedy was laid up with a back injury nixon helped in the senate and protected him and mrs. kennedy wrote to him and said you are one of the most wonderful people. i won't call them friends, they were politicians. no one is really friends in this business. >> o'neill and ronald reagan must have been friends. >> yeah right. [laughter] there were colleagues and roughly the same age. nothing was held back. she felt she was being roughed up and they were saying terrible things about him. there was a left leaning campaign for the more he thought when it was all over that he had been stolen, she thought that he won. if he had one illinois, and he always felt that he got s

justice kennedy is very concerned about the interests of children. and one of the central questions is are children better or worse in straight or gay marriages? and the opponents of gay marriage say we have to preserve marriage for straight couples because kids need all the help they can get. the support of the gay marriage say that makes no sense to withhold those benefits from the children of gay couples since after all, they can adopt in california whether they're married or not. so they can have parents. the question is whether they'll be in will hely recognized marriages. the fact that kennedy was focusing on that, that he was thinking about not about the parents but the kids, he may recognize the right to gay marriage as many people expect. >> before i let you go, i want to get your impression. we're getting this audio in and we'll play as much as we can within this hour. what has struck you, at least from what you heard today, and the preliminary analysis? we won't know until june though. >> well, if the court does decide the case on the meri

kennedy. what do you think effective vietnam, our mounting involvement, then the antiwar demonstrators in what effect the thing that has on his understanding of what it was to be a leader? >> that was the other thing that really affected him. he felt, from the moment he was not ready he felt under siege. his inauguration, it never happened before. people were throwing tomatoes and smoke bombs at the car and so on. then when he was president, the pentagon papers came out. even though the pentagon papers, secret history of the wars, was about the war that lyndon johnson got, nixon felt threatened by. nixon felt there was a breach of security and so when. and certainly this counterculture, he had, he just didn't get it. it was alien to them so i don't think it in some ways it didn't affect them. i think the 1960 democratic convention, i think he saw as a great political opportunity. he really didn't have much contact with the counterculture. his children didn't either. julie and tricia -- david h

you won't hurt as a guide named kennedy. kennedy read an article put out here in the article of 1960 was the case for unilateral disarmament. the u.s. takes a big step to get rid of nuclear weapons, propagandized a whole world to make soviet states that big step, but getting nuclear weapons out. a guy named jfk read the article anyone not to jerry holden who is here, young editor of the list at the time and said is this the same fromm favorite escape from freedom? in the campaign, fromm had advocated an agency powered with money. kennedy late fall says he is going to do that if elected and he does and that is the idea jfk picks up. at this point, kennedy instructs his national security advisor, george bundy that he wants them all foreign-policy issue range of opinions, not one opinion, not to come of a long continuum. so kennedy gets every single position on every issue that from create. then of course we know 50 years ago, october 1962, the cuban missile crisis in the world came very close to being blown out. after -- that

and kennedy understood, you are demeaning them. you are denying them social acceptance in ways that could be harmful to them. in other cases involving a woman's right to choose abortion, kennedy's been very concerned about the real world effect of these laws on women's dignity. the fact he's concerned about the dignity of children is very significant. >> help me out here, jonathan. justice alito comparing gay marriage to cell phones and the internet. let me let you listen to this. >> you want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution which is newer than cell phones or the internet? we are not -- we do not have the ability to see the future. >> now, i mean, newer than cell phones or internet, i got that part. but if we are asking the court to step in in a relatively new kind of social challenge with same-sex marriage to those that are challenged by it, aren't people asking people to step in and stop it? so how do you judge not to do it, but it's too early to say it's all right to d

kennedy. and at that point, you decided that you really liked this man who was a white jewish man. >> well, i just liked this man. you know, people don't marry colors or religions, they marry individuals. i had an image. this came up during the 1967 period when the head start program and the poverty program was under attack in mississippi, the state had turned it down, and i had been summoned to testify in washington. but then i told them to come down and see for themselves, because it's one tng to have somebody like me coming up to talk about the poor. it's another thing to go down and to actually see the poor. and i was supposed to testify on head start because senators stennis and eastland, very powerful senators, had threatened to hold up the entire poverty program's appropriations if they didn't defund this community race program where parents and children were having the time of their lives. but then, for whatever reason, peter came down to... my husband now, came down to advance this he

we have john kennedy, we have jacqueline kennedy and we have the two children when they were still veryoung. and it's from a time gone by. the mad men era, the camelot era. it's a wonderful kind of easter sunday of moment of time that seems now forever frozen with the president assassinated so very young and it has immense personal and even still, political appeal. >> you look at each of these photos. there's definitely such a sweetness in each of these, isn't there? >> well, there's a sweetness and there's also a kind of mad men formality. the president, which we wouldn't see today even at camp david is dressed in a coat and a tie and jacqueline kennedy is looking impeccably elegant, as always. even little, as he was called then, john john, who sits so poignantly in the cockpit of a helicopter when we know how he died. so, again, it's particularly poignant, as well as charming. but even he, this little tyke is dressed what we used to say, dressed to the nines. so, we have, you know, this sort of all possible world but it's fixed in our mind's eye that also makes it seem slightly unreal

what are justice kennedy's two favorite things?ou might have as well have julie andrews sing the oral argument. he's sold. tomorrow's outcome is very bullish in the court striking down the defense of marriage act. >> a potentially contentious exchange between ted olson and john roberts. i read most of it rather than listened it to. no. it was justice scalia. at what point did it become unconstitutional to deny marriage rights to same-sex couples and ted olson said when did it become unconstitutional to deny that to interracial couples. and he said don't answer my question with a question. this came up repeatedly, the same logic that caused the country to change its mind to tell interracial couples you can't be married should apply to same-sex couples as well. you saw it referenced by the attorney general of california a moment ago on the show. >> he gave the right answer to it, but i wish he cited precedent for it, a slam dunk for it. a case of roger vs. lodge. even if a system of election was created with a nondiscriminatory reaso

so jay kennedy of course is justice kennedy, and he will probably be the deciding factor here. some his quotes today, it becomes obvious that he is very spectacle about doma. let me read you one of those quotes. now the reason why that is so important is because here is justice kennedy actually being consistent of on state's rights. saying it is a state's rights issue, it's not the federal government's business. so they should respect the laws of the individual states. if he rules that way it would be huge, because doma would be knocked down. there is of course a possibility that they rule on technical grounds and -- and then it becomes a little bit more complicated. let's bring in an expert to talk to this, nan hunter. thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate. >> my pleasure. >> cenk: after watching the proceedings today what is your assessment of how likely doma is to be struck down? >> i think 80% is a pretty good bet. one of the things you have to remember is that we have this extremely divided supreme court. we have four clear liberals. we have four clear conser

caroline kennedy joins us in the studio. thanks for watching. i'm ann marie green.at day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald >>> hi, everyone. and good morning. friday is here. the weekend is here. it's march 8. i'm frank mallicoat. >> i'm michelle griego. time now is just about 4:30. we're very happy about this, right, friday? >> we are. >> and you know what? [ laughter ] >> yes. >> are you okay? [ laughter ] > we made it here. i'm fine. i'm good. >> lawrence karnow is at i race down in freedom. >> having fun there in fremont. >> yeah. you guys think you guys are happy? i'm down here racing cars on a friday morning. and it's a lot of fun. we'll talk about that and showers tapering off. we'll more on the weekend forecast. back to you. >> he looks good. >> i'm so glad he is not behind a real wheel. >> when i first saw that, i was just please don't parallel park. >>> here's a live look outside at some of our sensors. if you are crossing the dumbarton bridge, there is a crash rig

we were all watching justice kennedy for two reasons. one is it did seem the other four went into their corners pretty quickly and he's written the two most important gay rights rulings the supreme court has ever put out. you have to watch him. he's key. >> the other thing is, even before the justices took these cases, back in december, when they announced that they were going to hear both, we already sort of suspected that it would be very predictable for them to do what lower courts had done in doma. as i said earlier, no lower court has said that the section three denying benefits to same-sex couples that are allowed to heterosexual couples are strutional. it would be very predictable for the court to do that one. but to say this court, this conservative-leaning court to say for the first time that there's this national constitutional right to same-sex marriage, so it was in some ways surprising that they took both of the cases together. and so that kind of threw people. and then all the hoopla voundsing this threw people. but the tru

ultimately justice kennedy is really going to hold all of the cards here. i don't think if the four liberals will follow him. but the only other option was a 50-state solution. and he seemed really freaked out about that. >> michael: so if they do rule on standing where does that leave any ban on gay marriage in california then? >> if they junk the case on standing that gets rid of the 9th circuit opinion, and then goes back down to the district ruling, where the judge said it violated equal protection, due process, and extends same-sex marriage to the entire country. he is only one district judge in one district of california so this is something that a lot of legal experts are confused about, and this will probably be the talk of the town if the justices rule on standing. >> michael: that's really fascinating, and i think the supreme court always confuses a lot of people. tell me the impact this state case may have on other state laws then. >> okay. so i think ultimately this is the democratic process, and that prop 8 was even granted, that the justices h

. >> that was justice kennedy -- that was the question that justice kennedy raised in those arguments. >> the left wants to pretend that this is really about black voter access or battle access among minorities . it isn't, paul. and with gerrymandering, creating seats in congress, that's what the left wants to preserve by continuing section 5, no longer anything to do with black voters disenfranchised. >> paul: and you were reporting that the conservative justices were very critical, skeptical and maybe near to overturning it. how did you see it? >> yeah, i think that's right. dan mentioned obviously that justice roberts questioned very closely whether or not that racism still exists in the south, but also, notable was that justice kennedy said at one point that these fa formulas may have been appropriate at one time, but times have changed and that's the key take away was the justice's awareness that those formulas bye no longer be appropriate. >> paul: do you think this decision will hang on justice kennedy as so often many of these cases do? >> i think so, i think the justices pret

why does this fall to anthony kennedy again? he gets to make every decision. these days like if you go to a grocery store and they say paper or plastic, you have to ask anthony kennedy. >> he is an incredibly powerful man. the supreme court reflects the different presidents who appoint the justices. we're a divided country. the court is divided and kennedy is the focal point right now. >> stephen: who had the stronger argument there? >> i was amazed at how weak the arguments against gay marriage were. >> stephen: no, they are incredibly strong. you have to make babies. >> the problem with that argument. >> stephen: you know how babies are made, right? >> i know how they are made but we have never said procreation is the fundamental purpose of marriage. >> stephen: we have. i don't know about we. >> think of all the people that leaves out. >> stephen: they didn't have to before. >> that's why bringing it up now is suspect. because they are bringing up now to keep out a particular group of people. >> stephen: uh-huh. >> that's a form of discrimination and the go

i think justice kennedy frankly isn't ready to go there. one other point that he made today, the -- remember who's defending doma. it's the house republicans. the obama administration has decided the law's unconstitutional. so their lawyer here today, paul clement, was defending it. he reminded the court of why congress passed it. it's because hawaii -- this was back in the early '90s. hawaii's supreme court was considering it might recognize same-sex marriage. he said congress did not want to have a situation where if one state allowed same-sex marriage, then all the other states would have to. well, that's a separate part of doma. it's not under attack. what justice kennedy said is the result of the way doma stands now is, you're punishing the states who do decide they want to allow same-sex marriage because couples in their states don't have all the federal benefits. >> yeah. but my point is if they -- if they -- if they get rid of this part of doma and allow same-sex couples to get federal benefits in certain states, then don't they ope

justice kennedy and i guess two more words, justice kennedy. genuinely frightened of the fact that the only remaining rationale he could support in the supreme court was the 50-state solution. he seem afraid of going that far. he said the california only solution, the ninth circuit did was rubbish. he said standing, they had standings to get into court. he did not lying the solicitor general's eight state solution that would knock down the bans or would elevate same-sex marriage in the states that provide everything but marriage. so all that was left were the 50 state solution. he seemed freaked out by that and he decided maybe we should just dismiss this case that we should have never taken it in the first place. >> there has been a lot of talk about justice kennedy's remarks. that he may want to dismiss the case, as you said, being freaked out by the 50-state solution. there was word that justice ginsburg may also be uncomfortable with the 50-state solution even though she is likely amenable to expanding gay rights in general. she had previou

justice kennedy i think will clearly be the swing vote on this issue.stion implies he would overturn doma or at least the part of it, as fred indicated. where the federal government is weighing in on what marriage is. but there is another choice. there is an off-ramp here. it would be wise if they took it. the procedural issues here are very, very complicated and unique. it's unusual for the congress to represent measure in the court, rather than the administration. so i think kennedy and the justices could easily rule that they have no standings, the issue is not before the court properly. look, if the issue is public opinion radically changed, which it has. in the 17 years or so, since doma was passed then it will be reflected in the congress as it always is ultimately. doma will be overturned in the congress which is where it should be. and then you won't have a sense of people saying well, it was done by the nine rogueed eminences on the court unilaterally. not a matter of ticktock, but a matter of democratically resolving the issue. that is the way

>> because as so often with justice kennedy much as i admire him i'm like what? what does that mean? i don't know what that means to tell. >> rose: andrew is here to explain it to you. >> well, the difference between roe. have wide is that abortion actually remains a divisive subject in the country, among the young as well as the old and it's dealing with a much more profound moral question-- life and death. this is not as -- i don't want to demean the importance of marriage, i think it's crucial. so the question is, is the court actually going to -- are things moving so fast that i'm wrong? the court should seize this moment and will actually crystalize a moment and put in the clarity and i can see kennedy -- you know, he's going retire at some point. this is the civil rights movement of our time. if he were to rule and be the key case in making this such a grand decision that will be a huge legacy for him. and also scalia has already conceded this. he conceded it. he sai "if you agree to the premises of lawrence v. texas you've conceded the case to gay marriage

justice kennedy may not agree. seemednnedy and roberts to be very attracted to this federalism argument. i do not buy the federalism argument. i'm not sure. i like the equal protection argument. credentialegal or we could have this sort of way station on the way to an eventual, political resolution >> we always wonder whether amicus briefs are having an effect. one of them that seems to have caught justice kennedy's eye is by professors leon katz and harvey mansfield, saying that social science is newer than cell phones and the internet and -- they haveholars points they want to make. their research is sometimes not very rigorous. justice kennedy was swayed, it seemed,. what would you have said? >> to me, that was my biggest disappointment. there is an extraordinary and one-sided record in part based on the important trial that occurred in which both sides had any opportunity they wanted to bring witnesses, cross examine, call evidence, and at the end of the trial it was clear that the social science data, the evid

so that is what justice kennedy was responding to. that's been one of the key arguments against proposition 8, and i think that may have been one of mr. cooper's weaker points in response to justice kennedy. however, mr. cooper did consistently argue that these are policy questions that ought to be decided by the states not the supreme court. >> woodruff: marcia, there's another noteworthy exchange a little bit later when justice kagan tried to pin down mr. cooper, the attorney defending prop-8, about the definition of marriage. we're going to listen to that now. >> that said, mr. cooper, suppose a state said because we think that the focus of marriage really should be on proceed creation we're not going to give marriage licenses anymore to any couple where both people are over the age of 55. would that be constitutional? >> no, your honor, it would not be constitutional. >> because that's the same state interest i would think, you know. if you're over the age of 55, you don't help us serve the government's interest in regulating proc

. >>> se aviva la controversia tras un incidente en el aeropuerto kennedy por un aviÓn no tripulado.os en la muerte de un niÑo de dos aÑos. de acuerdo con un reporte el hombre llegÓ a la casa y en un descuido abuso de uno de ellos. y lo arrojÓ a la alberca. >>> con camiones lanzaaguas la policÍa de chile dispersÓ a un grupo de estudiantes. los agentes frustraron el movimiento de unos 500 jÓvenes para reimpulsar las protestas de una lucha que comenzaron hace mÁs de un aÑo. y una mujer acuso a un sospechoso en su intento por arrebatarle la cartera, la vÍctima se abalanzÓ con rabia ante este hombre. >>> en otro acto de violencia, un policÍa de nueva jersey golpeÓ a una mujer que salÍa de una discoteca, personas que estaban alrededor, dijeron que parecÍa haber consumido alcohol pero no aparentaba ser un riesgo para el agente. la policÍa de esta ciudad dijo que el incidente estÁ siendo investigado. >>> el uso de aviones no tripulados fueron motivo de debate en el congreso, y la presencia de uno de estos cerca del aeropuerto kennedy avivÓ la polÉmica. >>> no habÍa ocurrido antes, un aviÓn

justice kennedy writing the majority opinion. he also seems to be pivotal in this case.the washington post" quoting kennedy saying in a recent interview, "a democracy should not be known for its major decisions on what nine people from a narrowly elected background should say." i think that statement itself leaves legal scholars scratching their heads. if it comes down to picking between gay rights and states' rights, what do you think kennedy will do? >> i don't think i can predict what any individual justice will do, but i think it's worthy to note that very few cases in the history of the court have affected so many americans in a major way. i think the justices are keenly aware of that. it's a major issue for every family in america. i think they're keenly aware of that. >> you make a great point about personal being political. we have chief justice john roberts pivotal in any high court case, but add to the drama that these two cases, his cousin will tend to two hearings. she's an openly gay lesbian. she has been quoted as saying she has faith in justice roberts. do

kennedy, by recognizing public servants who show political courage. first, a look at the history of the prestigious honor. before president john f. kennedy challenged americans with a call to service, he was asking congress to show more courage. >> when you talk about political courage, you mean somebody who is willing to go against the wishes of his constituents for what he considers the best interest of the country. >> as a senator he won the pulitzer prize for the book "profiles in courage" which chronicled legislative bravery in the senate. today caroline kennedy carries the lantern of her father's legacy recognizing outstanding public servants each year with the profile in courage award. >> i think our family was looking for a way to sort of honor my father's memory at the library and also celebrate the quality that he thought was so indispensable. one of the really touching things was how much it meant to former president gerald ford. i think in some ways it was vindication of him for his action to pardon former president richard nixon. >> only

that is the brief that most influenced kennedy and only influences justice anthony kennedy that will be the fifth brief. that brief for sure did play a part. >> mike, stick with us. i want to bring in msnbc thomas roberts outside the court. thomas, we heard a lot from bill clinton recently because he was sort of overseeing a lot 6 this legislation back in the '90s in doma's don't ask don't tell. he said recently he had sleepless nights over those pieces of legislation. he wrote an op ed defending where he was in his mind. doesn't seem to jive with the new york times reporting about bill clinton urging john kerry in 2004 to come out against gay marriage. but you know, that's okay. we can take him at his word. now, do you think history is going to judge bill clinton, 50 years from now, for doma and don't ask don't tell, as sort of acceptable within the span of the moment? or do you think we will look back and see those as serious bliets on his record? >> a you you point out, i think history will look back to think that was acceptable at the time for what was in front of president clint

the indelible images of caroline kennedy's childhood.e white house, hiding under her father's desk. sitting beside her mother in bed. and if you look closely, there is often something else. books. many of them filled with poetry. her mother, jacquelyn kennedy, would recite poetry as a little girl in school assembly, and years later, she would teach her own daughter to do the same. >> oh, i -- it was always. >> reporter: always? >> yeah, my mother taught me a short poem when i was about 3 and i do remember reciting it for my father. >> reporter: what would your dad say to you after you -- >> everyone would clap, of course. >> reporter: and for her mother, every mother's day, she and her brother would find a poem, copy it down and give it to her. >> even though we complained about it, i think we both enjoyed it. >> reporter: and it wasn't until years later, not long ago, in fact, she discovered a poem in that scrapbook, selected by her brother. a young john, and it had a twist. >> i came across a poem that i completely forgotten about. >>