just described, that it is too unsafe to operate, we should abandon it, government set up the kennedy commission to examine the science and engineering, what we know, what we don't know, what is uncertain, how dangerous can they be, great experience but what i learned to your point is this profound difference between what people thought they knew in the public space and policymakers and scientists thought they knew and what they debated about was a big chasm and the people across the chasm were a minority. a lot of scientists don't want to get into it and then i can tell you i tried to get a lot of scientists in your community to join me in the debate about the safety of nuclear energy. we were being told the world would end, prominent scientists at the union of concerned scientists to name names and other places like that. the day we almost lost pennsylvania, 3 mile island, all these things are going to happen. scientists did not want to join me. i got a bunch to join, they didn't want to join the public debate for a variety of reasons on that subject and that, i would say felt like where we ar

commission. similar to what happened after the assassination of president kennedy. lbj in the weeks afterwards created the commission that investigated the assassination of president kennedy. it would be a similar idea for biden. the white house is very cool to that idea. they want congress to take the lead and work out their problems. another idea that nancy pelosi is flirting with his having the chairman of the homeland security committee take the lead with his committee since he and the republican ranking member of new york came up with the initial legislation that created the independent commission. there was some bipartisan agreement. one idea is for the investigation to remain in the homeland security committee and for bennie thompson to take the lead. there is one slight west to that. nancy pelosi is possibly creating host: i do not catch that. i'm sorry about that. we will go to don, in houston, texas, on the independent line. caller: for the week ahead in congress, i would hope that congress, it's one of the three branches of the federal government. we have

commission report. it wasn't just a question, if he had lived, if indicting and convicting lee harvey oswald. we needed to have the kennedy assassination committee, the warren commission report, to tell us what actually happened, how did he get the weapons, who else [ inaudible ]. might have been involved. commissions give us the full picture. for the present and history. >> for years, you were right, you were early on it, in in terms of the democratic perspective on it, which is re districting or gerrymandering. joe manchin is not against the for the people act because of the gerrymandering. it's because of the other things that are in it, the campaign finance, the presidential tax returns, the d.c. statehood stuff. why not take that stuff out and treat gerrymandering, as serious as it is, have it be a standalone bill, hold his feet to the fire, he'll have to support it and make it a clean sale? >> we try to work on senator manchin between now and the time the vote occurs. we need to focus on him and try to get him to the appropriate place. we also have to focus on republicans who are doing absolutely nothing in support

we've used that before in the warren commission after john kennedy's assassination, another example oficult but to look honestly at all the facts that were available, what was done and what wasn't done. >> who is going to investigate president trump's role, for example? do you think we'll ever get answers to the questions about what he was doing that day, why it took so long for the national guard to show up, et cetera? >> those are different questions. there will be online activity perhaps, maybe some physical evidence. whether or not he will ever be required to testify, i would be guessing that. even beyond that there's information out there in social media about what people were talking about doing, which what's ironic about this is unlike as has been the case in the past like with 9/11, where the plotters operated in secret, here the plotters boasted about what they were going to do openly. acquiring that, organizing it, following up on it should be a relatively straightforward but very important task. >> so, widen the lens here a little bit, mr. secretary. you're also a member of

commission. similar to what happened after the assassination of president kennedy. lbj in the weeks afterwards created the commission that investigated the assassination of president kennedy. it would be a similar idea for biden. the white house is very cool to that idea. they want congress to take the lead and work out their problems. another idea that nancy pelosi is flirting with his having the chairman of the homeland security committee take the lead with his committee since he and the republican ranking member of new york came up with the initial legislation that created the independent commission. there was some bipartisan agreement. one idea is for the investigation to remain in the homeland security committee and for bennie thompson to take the lead. there is one slight west to that. nancy pelosi is possibly creating a select committee and she could choose to put the chairman of homeland security as the chair man of this new, january 6 special committee that is also another option that she has upper sleeve. host: let's go to richard in lynchburg, virginia, de

rivalry research is like don schmidt described the kennedy assassination as a experience and compare the government statements on roswell to the warren commission report and in neither case can this official document be trusted. philip courso who writes the really popular the day after roswell is a firm advocate of the two oswalds theory of the kennedy assassination and goes further than that to say that the entire cold war was really just a cover to help develop anti-alien defense mechanisms. and you see this flood of roswell literature, through the '80s, through the '90s, that said, yes, the government covered it up and they didn't do it for our own good. donald keiaho was wrong. instead. it is a litany of misinformation and miss deeds. no longer is the air force this benign body trying to protect the public from national hysteria. now president truman sets up magic 12 in 1947 as a special government body to cover up the truth about ufos, presumably also in charge of those men in black. and this reaches such a crisis point that in 1994, the air force actually releases a report about roswell, a thousand pages long and you could still find this

governor of california and the chief justice at the supreme court in charge of the warren commission to investigate the kennedy assassination. this is a bid to say you need to trust us because if there's one person you can trust it is the chief justice of the supreme court the person who in the country, is that the top of our judicial branch he is going to be in charge of this commission and says he acted alone. one man. the warren commission was not believed when it was issued. in november of 1963-29 percent believe that one man. did it 52% thought others involved in some had no opinion. as we move into the 1960s and 70s as the the lack of faith in the united states government increases as the sense that the government does bad things goes up as the fear of the united states government increases that number goes up and up and up. in march 2001. it's the 81% did not believe so what they are saying is you we had an investigation the government investigated the chief justice of the supreme court came out and said this is what happened and at some point in 2001 more than three-quarters of the american people go y

researchers like don schmidt describe the kennedy assassination as a formative experience and compare the government statements on roswell to the warren commission report right in neither case. can this document be trusted? philip corso who writes the really popular the day after roswell is a firm advocate of the two oswald's theory of the kennedy assassination and goes further than that to say that the entire cold war was really just a cover to help develop anti-alien defense mechanisms. and you see this flood of roswell literature through the 80s through the 90s that says yes, the government covered it up and they didn't do it for our own good donald keyhoe was wrong. instead it is a litany of misinformation and misdeeds. no longer is the air force this benign body trying to protect. the public from national hysteria now president truman sets up magic 12 in 1947 as a special government body to cover up the truth about ufos. presumably also in charge of those men in black. and this reaches and of such a crisis point that in 1994 the air force actually releases a report about roswell a thousand pages long and you can still find this as i pulled

commission. you turn the judge into the prosecutor according to democrats. this is not what america wants. elizabeth: senator kennedyd it is we would never have another election day. we would have election month. you know the state elections are governed by the people through their state legislatures. >> yes. elizabeth: senator kennedy said the federal bureaucracy can't even stop scam calls or spam calls. we've got that, to your point about the new monmouth poll shows eight out of 10 americans say yeah, we're for voter i.d. 62% of democrats say we are for voter i.d. nine out of 10 independents say yes to that. what do you say? >> i think the democrats here in washington are tone term america doesn't want. this the components of this legislation, liz, have been lying around washington in back rooms for years. they tried to pass something like this right after president trump won back in 2017. they tried again a couple years ago. again they put it through in 2020, using the guise of pandemic, at that time that was crisis of the moment. they're picking on a few state election laws. that is the crisis of the moment. wha

commission. you're going to turn the judge now into the prosecutor. this is not what america wants. elizabeth: yeah. you know, senator kennedy never have another election dday, we would have election month, you know? the statew elections are governd by the people through their statee legislatures. >> yes. elizabeth:or senator kennedy sad the federal bureaucracy can't even stop spam calls. we've got that, and to your point about the new monmouth poll shows that 8 out of 10 americans say, yeah, we are for voter id. 62% of democrats say, yes, we are for voter id. 9 out of 10 independents say that too. what do you say? >> ira think the democrats in washington are tone deaf. the components of this legislation have been lying around washington in back rooming -- back rooms for years. they tried it back in 2017, again a couple years ago. again they put it through in 20 using the excuse of the pandemic . -- the guise of the pandemic. but what they're really trying to do forever shift the advantage to their court, and americans aren't going to stand for it. elizabeth: youou know, stacey abrams tried to claim that no oneer has ever ob

commission. his plan to run out the clock would we need to move now. aoc is not-so-subtle he alluded to the unexpected death of ted kennedy 50/50 split the vote is even tighter. our senate democrats now one away from disaster. therapy in studio, comedian and host of fox across america and news radio it is jimmy failla. >> welcome back. >> i love that aoc invoked ted kennedy. just because she talks the way he drives. [laughter] is just kind of off the road, never good for anybody taken the trip with her. i will grant her the party, like dianne feinstein windsor high school with moses i believe she was a year ahead of him. kennedy: they went to the same high school per >> it was weird. he was still in elementary school when she graduated but, becky's on the swim team obviously he could do a lot with the water. ♪ ♪ [laughter] go nuts. i don't know, maybe, maybe try to introduce legislation that can live beyond a tight partyline vote. is that the real problem in washington? this statement and caplets of things from their politics bird one >> people saying >> things to get attention. before no one committed crimes to go into t

commission. graduate of harvard law school, a partner law firm. system attorney general deputy assistant attorney general in the same office 2006 -- 2009, supreme court justice, anthony kennedy. graduating you possible partner at the doctor whopper. white house counsel from 2009 -- 11 before serving in the white house, general counsel of the 2008 obama is a natural campaign. he was in the published a book, after reconstructing the president with his co-author, colton. a professor at the york diversity school of law so i prepared a number of questions for our panelists but as the program moves along, i hope you will include some questions in the chat that we can share with our panelists at the appropriate time. i may start with this, what we mean when we talk of d.o.j. independence from the president and the white house? how would you characterize that and how is it honored during the administration in which you served it and why don't we start a chronological order. jamie, let's start with you given your service in the clinton administration. >> thank you. i think that prohibition, if you will is efforts by the white house were others in the administration, enforcement matte

kennedy assassination. this is to say you need to trust us. the person who in the country is at the top of our judicial branch. he is going to be in charge of this commission and says he acted alone, one man. the warren commission was not believed when it was issued. in november 1963 29% believed one man did it. 52% thought others were involved and some had no opinion. as we move into the 1960s and '70s, as the lack of faith in the united states government increases, as the sense that the government does bad things goes up, as the fear of the united states government increases, that number goes up and up and up. in march 2001 it's 81% did not believe. so what they're saying is we had an investigation, the government investigated, the chief justice of the supreme court came out and said this is what happened, and some point in 2001 more than three quarters of the american people go you're lying. trust no one, they lied to us. and then there are the revelations of government conspiracies that starts in the 1970s. the pentagon papers in 1971 leaked documents about what the united states was doing in vietnam. watergate in 1972 that the president himself is abo