and kennedy has gotten furious with him which was unlike kennedy. he liked free exchange debate and he told kennedy o'donnell, one of his aides later i got so angry because i knew that probably mike was right. but, you see, mansfield put loyalty to the party and to the president's goal of speaking his mind, and so he has these memos to with kennedy and johnson. he doesn't speak out. that's a more interesting case in many ways because without going through the whole content business, he ran that through the senate at johnson's behest. the cynics say he thought he would be finally secretary of state. it was the role he always wanted and he knew that roskam would be weak and probably thought after the election making him secretary of state, so in 1964 before the election he helped to get the tonkin gulf resolution through. the problem is that rusk, who had been so neglected and even ridiculed by the robert kennedy wing of the white house under jack kennedy, he had a resurgence under johnson. johnson felt he hadn't been taken seriously, and he felt rusk

kennedy: the new frontier president." novapublishers.com is the website in case you're interested. >> you are watching book tv on c-span2. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. >> might expect with don't ask, don't tell is very interesting i tried with an air force academy in 2009 and shortly after went to my training, and was blacked out by my instructor there, changing my test scores, harassing the constantly and with help of service members network i turned in my instructor and that instructed turned around out of me but i was removed from a job, my ability to access computer i was working in the chaplain's office during this time, and secretary gates came out with his new policy, that third party outings were not allowed anymore, that can stop the process against me personally. what kind of during this process i get so frustrated with don't ask, don't tell that i decided to turn around and help create outserve, kind of building network where we could start to network together and act collectively voi

but kennedy came so close. he said if i can get this close with no preparation, think of what i can do if i spend four years running for president. >> host: okay. 1960 iran, there's these wonderful stories, one about the first debate in chicago. >> guest: yeah. >> host: and the makeup that you have in your book. >> guest: well, yeah, first of all, kennedy really took the debate seriously. he went out and met somehow secretly with don hewitt who later became head of "60 minutes," a great producer, but he was director there. he wanted to know where i stand, where the lighting is. he wanted to -- nixon was weirdly afraid of the debates. kennedy, of course, spent hours in the ambassador east hotel in chicago constantly asking the questions of ted sorenson and mike feldman over and over again. he gets in there, and he starts to psych out nixon. they ask do you want nixon? kennedy says i don't want any. nixon hears it, yo, i don't want any. i'll put makeup on when he puts it on. so they had this mexican standoff, if

oklahoma governor desolate kennedy. and kennedy doesn't have it.e has a lot of strength in the south, but not enough. keith walker is very good on civil rights. he also ran in the primaries and it almost beaten stevenson. >> host: okay, got 21960. >> guest: kennedy came so close. he said if i can get disclosed no preparation, just think if i spent four years. >> host: 1960 win. we have time for the whole campaign because he went into his presidency. there's wonderful stories. what about the first debate in chicago? and the makeup you have in your book. >> guest: first of all, kennedy really took this debate seriously. he later became head of 60 minutes, great producer, but he was director. he wanted to know where i stand, what the lighting is. he wanted to really get a fix. kennedy of course spent hours at the hotel in chicago, constantly answering the questions of ted sorenson over and over again, trying to get ready. it is in there and he starts to psych out an extent. so they asked about makeup? says i don't want any. then they go back into the

agent clint hill, assigned to protect jackie kennedy. it was hill who desperately climbed onto the trunk of the president's vehicle that day and for decades was tormented by the thought of what he could have done to stop it. >> i looked in the eyes of those two children who had lost their father and the woman who had lost her husband and recognized that i was there, and i was unable to prevent what happened from happening. >> hill says living with that guilt forced him into seclusion and a deep depression that nearly cost him his life. >> the doctor told me, either quit what you're doing or die. it's your choice. and i chose to live, so i quit drinking, quit smoking, and started to recover gradually. it's priceless. >> in old boxes at his arlington, virginia home, he has precious mementos of his time with the kennedys. mrs. kennedy's schedule for that day in dallas, a sketch pad where she doodled drawings and her young son john john, did, too. >> i thought that was pretty good for a 2-year-old. that was his big thing, if he could get on

kennedy one other time before she passed away. it was at the funeral of robert f. kennedy. the book is called "mrs. kennedy and me," and we'll have more of our conversation on "nightly news" tomorrow night. >>> up next, the grandmother with the right stuff. you'll hear the dramatic tapes as she lands a plane under the worst possible circumstances. when i take a picture of this check, it goes straight to the bank. oh. oh look the lion is out! no mommy no! don't worry honey, it only works on checks. deposit checks from your smartphone with chase quickdeposit. just snap a picture, hit send and done. take a step forward and chase what matters. >>> we told you earlier this week about the 80-year-old grandmother who mustered the courage and the skill to land a small plane after her husband died at the controls. tonight, the minute by minute cockpit tape of that drama in the sky has been released. here is nbc's kevin tibbles. >> it wasn't a perfect landing, but considering 80-year-old helen collins isn't a pilot, it was perfect enough. helen and husband john were returning to wisc

kennedy. but what was it like to be there? right there when the shots rang out?t service agent clint hill spent 50 years trying to forget and only now has written a story of his four years as jackie kennedy's closest protector. a time of exhilarating highs and heart wrenching lows. >> that's the one thing that i can't get out of my mind, is that the picture of him lying in her lap with his head exposed to me. looking into the back of his head, into his brain, his eyes fixed, blood and brains and bone fragments all over the car, over mrs. kennedy, and myself. >> the images america cannot forget are seared painfully in the mind of secret service agent clint hill, assigned to protect jackie kennedy t was hill who desperately climbed on to the trunk of the president's vehicle that day and for decades was tormented by the thought of what he could have done to stop it. >> i looked in the eyes of those two children who had lost their father and the woman who had lost her husband and recognized that i was there, and i was unable to prevent what happened from happening. >

kennedy one other time before she passed away. it was at the funeral of robert f. kennedy.he book is called "mrs. kennedy and me" and we'll have more of our conversation on "nightly news" tomorrow night. >>> up next, the granld mother with the right stuff. you'll hear the dramatic tapes ish as she lands a plane under the most dramatic circumstances. ran. ah, claim trouble. [ dennis ] you should just switch to allstate, and get their new claim satisfaction guarantee. hey, he's right man. [ dennis ] only allstate puts their money where their mouth is. yup. [ dennis ] claim service so good, it's guaranteed. [ foreman ] so i can always count on them. unlike randy over there. that's one dumb dude. ♪ the new claim satisfaction guarantee. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate. wait. ♪ it's morning in the himalayas... [ male announcer ] it's sweet. it's nutty. it's absolutely delicious. kellogg's crunchy nut. it's morning somewhere. [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospa

yet when the crisis broke, kennedy used the c.i.a. director. and they were suspicious and political ruse. chris: he taped the conversation. >> the advice was bad advice. chris: and khrushchev's memoirs as we now know, if he hit new york, was going to hit new york. >> when you are president of the united states and you don't fully trust your advisers, you trust someone who sat in that chair before you more than anybody else. chris: howard, i want to play this soundbite frr lyndon johnson, how ike helped him after jack kennedy was assassinated. >> eisenhower came down and spent some time with me exploring the problems that he expected to arise con fronting a new president. chris: kennedy getting killed was an incredible moment and here was the republican coming in and helping l.b.j. >> two things about that. first of all, ike as a figure, was a tremendously reassuring president in american life. if there was a monarch, retired monarch, it was ike, who had led us into world war ii and president during a calm period in american life. there was the

kennedy? lady he will in fact i would expect favorability to rise although maybe not as an extended for catholics after john f. kennedy was elected to the but of course the other scenario is that fahmy turns out to be the all smith where instant of prevailing on he goes down in flames and history remembers him as a candidate who suffered because of his religion in which way it will go it is to say that at least we know now what the roadblocks are ahead of him. thank you very much. [applause] >> so, we have a little bit of time for q&a. if anybody has any questions. remember if you have a question, we need to wait for the microphone to come. for the mormons in the audience this is like a testimonies we have our begin here who will bring to the microphone. for those who are not i can explain that. >> the first they believed long mormons to have and i think that there's a first doctor in because of the say so there'll be required then and the mormons believe on the day they are baptized they ente

kennedy and me" about his time at jackie kennedy's side.ent clint hill joins me. it's an honor to meet you in person, and you've been a fascinating witness to our history, a tragic day in our history and the book is a fascinating read. i want to point out that you say in the book because of the angle, the weather, where we were, everything, i did all that i could, but i still feel guilt. all these years later you still feel guilt that you could have done more that day? you were riding on the fender of the car following the convertible. >> that's correct. i was in the car behind the president's vehicle in the left hand side and there is still that sense because i was the only agent in that group who had a chance to do anything, and i failed to do what i thought i should have done which was get there faster than i did. >> mr. hill, is the guilt more professional guilt or personal guilt, too, because of how you felt about the kennedy family? >> both, i suppose. personal guilt because of the relationship i had with mrs. kennedy and the presiden

kennedy took office. there are relatively a small number of advisers. by the time kennedy leaves office, there are 16,000 and they're no longer advisers, they're actually taking part in combat. the whole situation has changed. with the coup of november of '63, the united states assumes a level of responsibility for vietnam it had not had before. so whatever kennedy might or might not have done, i think you have to keep in mind that he makes it much more difficult to get out with the commitments that he has made. >> i think for all those reasons, the answer to the question is unknowable. because kennedy actually in his public statements said things that can be interpreted either way. >> ed? >> i think had he lived, he might have made it a popular war. i agree with what george is saying, the conditions have changed so much. i agree about notion of not committing troops. but he also had that rhetorical flair. he had, whatever, the charisma, the leadership that he could probably make some decisions that johnson was terrified about making. for instance, call

kennedy took office there with a small number of advisers by the time kennedy leaves office, there is 16,000 and they are no longer advisers. they are taking part in combat. the situation has changed with the coup, the united states assumes a level of responsibility for vietnam had it not had before. you have to scores. >> i think for all the reasons, the answer to the question is unknowable. kennedy actually in his public statements said things that can be interpreted either way. >> i think had he lived, he would have made it a popular war. i agree with what george was saying that the continues changed so much, i agreed with it about the notion of not committing troops and he also had that rhetorical flair and whatever charisma and the leadership that he could probably make decisions that johnson was terrified about making. for instance, calling the reserves, johnson was absolutely terrified. they wrote their congressman and said what am i wasting my time for? johnson was a politician and he asked his mentors in the senate. what should i do? i don't want to do this. it's personality

it started in the west virginia primary where kennedy was running against hubert humphrey. >> kennedy was younger, more energetic candidate, but kennedy's father, joe kennedy didn't want to count on that. so money was spread around in west virginia. >> kennedy joked that his father vision had him, quote, don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. i'll be damn if i going to pay for landslide. he defeated richard nixon but some say j.f.k. seemed to be the one with something up his sleeve. >> the word went out, illinois needed to go to kennedy. ballots were manufactured. other ballots disappeared. >> do you think that president kennedy stole the election? >> many people have said yes. >> eric: some republican leaders said that nixon should challenge the result. >> my congratulations to senator kennedy for his fine race in this cane. >> 40 years later, another finished second but he did not go away so quietly. it was 2000, bush versus gore, what looked like a late night victory for bush, ended up with govern re reretracting. voter fraud and intimidation and suppression. multiple lega

it started in the west virginia primary where kennedy was running against hubert humphrey. >> kennedy was younger, more energetic candidate, but kennedy's father, joe kennedy didn't want to count on that. so money was spread around in west virginia. >> kennedy joked that his father vision had him, quote, don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. i'll be damn if i going to pay for landslide. he defeated richard nixon but some say j.f.k. seemed to be the one with something up his sleeve. >> the word went out, illinois needed to go to kennedy. ballots were manufactured. other ballots disappeared. >> do you think that president kennedy stole the election? >> many people have said yes. >> eric: some republican leaders said that nixon should challenge the result. >> my congratulations to senator kennedy for his fine race in this cane. >> 40 years later, another finished second but he did not go away so quietly. it was 2000, bush versus gore, what looked like a late night victory for bush, ended up with govern re reretracting. voter fraud and intimidation and suppression. multiple lega

rhodes-hughes was feet away from kennedy when he was shot. all accounts say there were eight shots fired, but rhodes-hughes says there were at least a dozen shots and police altered her account. >> what has to come out, there was another shooter to my right, and robert kennedy was also to my right where sirhan sirhan was almost straight ahead and a tad to my left standing on some steel raised platform. there were two shooters. >> the 68-year-old sirhan is serving a life sentence. the u.s. district court in los angeles is about to rule on his request to be released, retried based on part on the claim that there was a second shooter that day. >>> there are new rules for secret service agents. it prohibits them from visiting nonreputable establishments or bringing foreign nationals to their owe tehotel rooms. alcohol will be banned within ten hours of work. aren't these rules already?

it started in the west virginia primary where kennedy was running against hubert humphrey. >> kennedyounger, more energetic candidate, but kennedy's father, joe kennedy didn't want to count on that. so money was spread around in west virginia. >> kennedy joked that his father vision had him, quote, don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. i'll be damn if i going to pay for landslide. he defeated richard nixon but some say j.f.k. seemed to be the one with something up his sleeve. >> the word went out, illinois needed to go to kennedy. ballots were manufactured. other ballots disappeared. >> do you think that president kennedy stole the election? >> many people have said yes. >> eric: some republican leaders said that nixon should challenge the result. >> my congratulations to senator kennedy for his fine race in this cane. >> 40 years later, another finished second but he did not go away so quietly. it was 2000, bush versus gore, what looked like a late night victory for bush, ended up with govern re reretracting. voter fraud and intimidation and suppression. multiple legal case

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occasionally a cold war course, kennedy, modern presidents also the u.s. survey by a introduce immensely to introduce students of varying backgrounds. >>host: how long have you been at liberty? >> finishing eighth year before that five years at texas tech then came here to start the a graduate program. and valium chair of the department. >>host: talking to david snead chair of the department and author of "john f. kennedy: the new frontier president" nova publishers to come >> i was blackmailed changing test scores, harassed, that i turned in my instructor and day out did me. i was removed from my job to access computers working at the chaplain's office. secretary gates came out that third-party outings were not allowed that stopped against me. but i was so frustrated with "don't ask, don't tell" i helped to build the network where we could network together then collectively voice our concerns to the military and public. a lot of people were out serve members we just connected social media around the world we have 4700 members that are connected, and no lo

was putting to him. >> paul: but kennedy put forth, that justice kennedy could find a leadership with the young people, to the larger health insurance market. >> right, saying at some point you'll consume health care, therefore, we can mandate, the problem is it isn't a limiting principle. and you say that health care leads to health insurance, all sorts of things lead through health care, you know, whether it's healthy decisions, life choices, so, it's really another way of stating the police powers that-- and the separation-- >> the separation of states. >> the separation of the states and the federal government that's at the core of this jurisprudence. >> how big a hole is there for justice kennedy to walk through if he wants to uphold this mandate? >> not a very big hole, it seems to me. i mean, he would have to define it very narrowly and explain why the health insurance business is different from all other businesses, different so the federal government can order people to buy something. all right, in prefacing that comment that joe just quoted. kennedy says, well, they say that

i listened to kennedy's speech ten times and read it 30 times and he doesn't understand what kennedy was saying in the speech. timothy dolan had it right, he was saying that there should be a role but it shouldn't be an institutional role. rick is a good friend, i like rick a lot, he is, you know, i -- said he is remarkably consistent over the years in his speeches that is because he is coming from a world view. and his speeches come out of that world view. i think he has done a remarkable job on a shoestring budget. he has resurrected a political career that was dormant, and as his friend, i would say to him, you know, you ought to seriously consider leaving the race now, in eight years, he will be three years younger than romney is now, but, you know, running for president is a very personal decision, when to get out is a very personal decision, and he is going to have to make that. >> schieffer: well, you know, i could go on with this all of easter day, but we seem to have run out of time here. thank you all for a very fascinating but also to me a very enlightening discussion. and

i'm so glad that you put the piece in there to show what kennedy was speaking of. and as he referenced abraham lincoln, when the emancipation proclamation was made, the slaves referred to it as the big bell rang. they considered that to be the bell of the liberty, not the bell that hung in philadelphia. and when brown versus board of education came down, many people referred to that in the african-american community as the second ringing of the bell. and so it could very easily be considered that the 1964 civil rights act and the voting rights act of '65 were the continuing ringings of the bell. i think the other point that you mentioned, some felt that it may have played a part in kennedy's assassination, his coming out, because there are those who had considered that he was not as forthright as he may have been relative to the rights of individuals, all americans. but his coming out, in many instances, was felt as striking the conscience of america. and that's when you started seeing in the '60s this real change taking place in our country. you're right, less tha

kennedy. what was the reality?y get on when the door was closed and they were left with just agents like you who saw everything? >> they were very close. very much in love. they respected each other very much. they came even closer after the death of patrick. they expressed it more openly holding hands and things of that nature. so i mean, they were a loving couple. and she supported him in every way she could. so they worked together very much as a team. they were both very, very interested in how the children were raised and that they not be spoiled. that they grew up in a very normal childhood. as much as possible considering they were the children of the president of the united states. >> you were there with jacqueline kennedy both when their son john jr. was born and also as you said when patrick so sadly died. you were there at the most incredibly intimate moments. did you ever feel -- how did you feel? how do you feel when you're an agent that's so close to somebody who was at the time the most famous person

kennedy's father, joe kennedy didn't want to count on that.spread around in west virginia. >> kennedy joked that his father advised him, don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. in a close general election, kennedy defeated richard nixon who democrats had long nicknamed tricky dick but it seemed that j.f.k. had something up his sleeve. >> the word went out that illinois had to go to kennedy so ballots were manufactured. >> do you think he stole the election? >> many people have looked at the evidence have said yes. >> many people nixon should challenge the result. but they believed it would divide a damaged nation. >> my congratulations to senator kennedy. >> 40 years later, a vice president didn't go away so quietly. it was bush are versus gore. which looked like a narrow win for bush, a month of recounts and hundreds of lawyers descending on florida and counter charges of bad ballots, voter fraud, intimidation and suppression. multiple legal cases in state and federal courts and supreme court ruling that effectively ended the election

. >>> we're now hearing from douglas kennedy, the son of the late robert kennedy for the first time since that confrontation with two nurses who tried to stop him from taking his newborn son from a hospital maternity ward in new york. on thursday, he had his day in court. w nbc's chief investigative reporter jonathan dienst is following the case. >> it is okay for a father to hold his son in his arms. and it is okay for his father to want to be with his newborn baby. py know that in my heart. >> reporter: douglas kennedy speaking out for the first time since being charged with attacking two nurses in a hospital maternity ward back in january, after the birth of his son. kennedy says he just wanted to leave the hospital for a short time. to be with his son in the fresh air outside. as he invoked the memory of his father robert kennedy, killed when he was so young. >> my father was taken away from me when i was a baby. and i think that is certainly what makes me appreciate me being with my son. >> reporter: in january, a supervising nurse in the maternity ward at northern westchester hospit

and robert kennedy.his johnson's press secretary, george levy told him the mutual dislike was clear from the moementd l.b.j. and r.f.k. met. >> he said, did you ever see two dogs come into a room, and all of a sudden the hair rises on the back of their necks and there's this low growl. that's the way they responded to each other the first time they met. >> reporter: one of the most dramatic accounts in the book is how when kennedy realizes he needs johnson to win the south and offers him the vice presidency at the convention, and bobby kennedy trys to undo it. >> bobby ken do came out three separate times to ask lyndon johnson to withdraw from the ticket. >> without success. >> i reached the conclusion, it would be the best judgment of the convention to nominate senator lyndon johnson for office of the vice president. >> so help you god. >> so help me god. >> reporter: l.b.j. does help win the white house. but as vice president, johnson is treated with disdain by the whole administration. >> he was alway

was putting to him. >> paul: but kennedy put forth, that justice kennedy could find a leadership with the young people, to the larger health insurance market. >> right, saying at some point you'll consume health care, therefore, we can mandate, the problem is it isn't a limiting principle. and you say that health care leads to health insurance, all sorts of things lead through health care, you know, whether it's healthy decisions, life choices, so, it's really another way of stating the police powers that-- and the separation-- >> the separation of states. >> the separation of the states and the federal government that's at the core of this jurisprudence. >> how big a hole is there for justice kennedy to walk through if he wants to uphold this mandate? >> not a very big hole, it seems to me. i mean, he would have to define it very narrowly and explain why the health insurance business is different from all other businesses, different so the federal government can order people to buy something. all right, in prefacing that comment that joe just quoted. kennedy says, well, they say that

kennedy is... >> jon: that's what i meant justice kennedy.t did i say? >> "that guy." (laughter) i think justice kennedy sweat it is details. he knows on a lot of these 5-4 you have the strip search case you were talking about. he really kind of agoize ifs a lot about these sorts of things. >> it's interesting you bring up the strip search case. here's a little side fact you may not be aware of. the gentleman who argued that case. >> and lost it. >> jon: and lost in front of the supreme court... >> yeah. >> jon: you. >> yeah. (laughter) i'm really sorry about that. (laughter). >> jon: what was your... i mean, it's fortuitous you're here on that day. what was that like? that seems like an incredibly extreme authoritarian measure and power to grant the police. what went down in the courtroom? >> the justices on the right are worried about jail security so they're thinking... let me tell the story of the case. a man is driving down a jersey turnpike is arrested for being black and is... (laughter). >> jon: and, by the way, was not actually drivi