patrick kennedy. and the day she left washington, ellen lincoln called stanley and said the president says the coast is clear, and you better get over here. [laughter] so stanley arrived at the white house, and he waited. and i guess -- yes. this is probably the most iconic photograph taken of the president in the oval office. john john came over to say good night to his father, and he ran to play in his secret place which was under the president's desk. and he popped out, opened the door, and stanley knew that he had a photograph. and stanley said to me, he said i know when i shove off, that's the only picture anybody's or going to remember. -- anybody's ever going to remember. and it is quite true. in all of his obits, they did run this picture. this is caroline coming down to see her father before she started school up in the white house solarium. mrs. kennedy didn't want the children to be going out to school, so she started a school for her kids and for the kids of cabinet officials. so caroline

kennedy. there it is. president kennedy stood in west berlin to declare america's defiant support for the west and freedom. >> who really don't understand or -- that is the great issue between the free world and the communist world. let them come to berlin. on -- those who believe that communism ask the wave of the future, let them come to berlin! all three men, wherever they may live, are citizens -- all free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of berlin, and therefore as a free man, i take pride in the words ich bin ein berliner. chris: michael beschloss and michael duffy, that was my favorite speech, of course and it was basically saying to the third world are you guys separating us from them? look at the difference. they have to put a wall up to keep anywhere people in >> and there was an irony, of course, because we learned many years later that kennedy quietly in 1961 encouraged the russians to put up that wall. but you sure shaw no signs of that that day. chris: the power of the connection. i

i said senator ted kennedy? and she said yes. my daughter worked for him and allyson is here in the front row as well as nancy cheney. so i told her the scope of what we were trying to do. and i said would you mind taking this information to senator kennedy? and she agreed to do it. think of that. just think of that. we had never been in contact with any of the kennedy family. too painful. something we knew they wouldn't want to hear. but manzi took our material. i would love for you to be able to tell us what happened this ted kennedy did read them. he said i know if you're involved it's going to be all right. and from that point on, his assistant kept in touch with us and actually came down to meet all of us and so we had that open conduit to the kennedy family. nancy, stand-up we want to thank you. [applause] after she visited with ted kennedy he asked her to go to new york and visit with steve smith about. he then was in contact with the family. >> i want to go through a few questions from the audience today. this one is addr

kennedy found a way through.leadership in modern times in my view because it was so decisive for the world's survival. >> unifying in many ways. not only had an impact emotionally to those there. >> what's unbelievable is a speech could make such a difference because kennedy showed such empathy in the speech he talked about the russia people having great virtue and he appealed to the russian people to their courage and virtue and their success and their culture. and khrushchev heard this speech and said it's the finest speech by an american president since fdr. i want to make peace with that man. seven weeks later the nuclear test band treaty. it's an incredible story actually. it was a world changing story but the words were so per persuasive. these are human beings on each side and we share a common difference. even if we can't now end our differences, at least we can make the world safe for diversity and the insight is stunning. and the success is stunning. what i also like so much about these events, kennedy

for example, one of his old tv commercials. >> ♪ kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedyken-nedy for me ♪ >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> you can even dial his phone and listen in on presidential conversations. >> with the popularity 70% now, sir, you'd break 50/50 with the republicans. >> it's a safe bet you'll find lots of fascinating facts about our 35th president. with "click this," i'm harry. >> this report is brought to you by the national road safety foundation. [ cheers and applause ] this isn't a real basketball game. >> hike! >> and this isn't a real football scrimmage. actually, they're both part of a special kind of tv commercial called a psa. that stands for public service announcement. [ cheers and applause ] >> we saw this competition called driving skills 101, and we decided to enter it. >> so, for the psa, we incorporated the idea of safe driving with sports. >> and we submitted our storyboard for a commercial called "share the road." >> the overall concept was to prove how what we do in sports doesn't always relate to what we do in

for example, one of his old tv commercials. >> ♪ kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedy, kennedyken-nedy for me ♪ >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> ♪ kennedy >> you can even dial his phone and listen in on presidential conversations. >> with the popularity 70% now, sir, you'd break 50/50 with the republicans. >> it's a safe bet you'll find lots of fascinating facts about our 35th president. with "click this," i'm harry. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america... and to the republic for which it stands... one nation, under god... indivisible, with liberty... and justice for all. our disabled veterans pledged to sacrifice life and limb to ensure our way of life. now, they deserve our support. find out how you can help disabled veterans in your community. visit dav.org. tell you about a new medical website designed especially for older folks. website you say! i can't work on computers, they're not senior-friendly. blah, blah, blah. but the national institutes of health fixed all that. now you can make the type bigger, increase contrast, even make it t

the kennedy brothers, president and attorney general, were on the case.alabama guard, ordered the governor which he did. the president called up the tv networks personally and asked for time to address the nation. he called civil rights that night a moral issue as old as the scriptures and clear as the american constitution. until the day he died kennedy lobbied the congress for passage of the civil rights bill, opening the door of restaurant, hotel and gas station restroom to all americans. the cruel irony is that the bill passed largely because of the national grief over kennedy's death. that's "hardball." now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> good evening, from new york. i'm chris hayes and thank you for joining us. tonight on "all in" n strks a surveillance is the big story. i've still got my eyes on you, marco rubio. you don't get to pretend to be the hero of immigration reform while working behind the scenesx to kill it. i'll tell you about his latest back door shenanigans coming up. >>> plus, surprising good

kennedy took incredible risks and pulled it off. >> and you see the centerpiece as being kennedy's recognitionnuclear arms race was very dangerous, was something that could result in a catastrophe and that there had to be not simply a tinkering around the edges, but a fundamental shift in the way we were thinking about great power relations with these massive powerful weapons. >> absolutely. and the experts of the day talked about mutual assured destruction or m.a.d. as it was called by its acronym, and it was a bit mad that the idea that there was a balance of terror that kept the peace. but kennedy realized and khrushchev also realized this wasn't a balance, it was an imbalance, it was a set of accidents waiting to destroy the world. kennedy came into office as president in 1961 very much conscious of world war i as a war that had no reason to have taken ple, resulted from a set of alliances and trip wires and accidents and miscalculations that led to this massive destruction, unprecedented destruction, and he was determined to not have that happen and to prevent that from happening in his o

on the same daze kennedy's speech, dr. the doors of alabama university to be blocked so two black students could not enroll. here is john f. kennedy 50 years ago tonight. >> we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. the heart of the question is whether all americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities. whether we are going to treat our fellow americans as we want to be treated. if an american because his skin is dark cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public, if he cannot send his children to the best public school available, if he can not vote for the public officials who represent him, if, in short, he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, then who among us would be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? who among us would then be content with the counsels of patience and delay. >> joining us right now is doug brinkley, and william gray, former congressional lead

kennedy went ahead and spoke.ct, watch this, he's actually telling many of the people in the crowd of what happened. they hadn't known yet. it was before the internet. they didn't know. before 24/7 cable. they didn't know the people in the crowd who are mainly african-american didn't know king had been killed. >> what we need in the united states is not division, what we need in the united states is not hatred. what we need in the united states is not violence and lawlessness but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another. and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country. >> kennedy's message that evening was also a big part of his legacy. i want to get to that with two people who know what they're talking about. rick pearlstein author of "nixonland." james peterson, director of africana studies at lehigh university. you're a young guy. i'm thinking about the legacy you teach in this regard. more and more of the republican party with the exception of the clintons have been able t

thomas, alito, so thea mayor, and kennedy, kennedy writing. >> rose: they were prepared to make a decision on the merits and not punt, as jeffrey said. >> ybut probably if they reached the merthes, kennedy and sotomayor would have been on one side, and thomas and alito on the other. >> rose: what do you make of this? you've never seen anything like it, but how do you explain it? >> charlie you said earlier, i don't think the standing position is going to be all that important in the larger scheme of things. there are always a lot of standing decisions. the court's doctrine on standing has been all over the place. what's really important is same-sex marriages are going to start probably today in california. once california bye-byes the 13th state, you're looking at approximately one-third of the american people will live in a place where same-sex marriage is legal. that's a lot of people. and it's very hard to envision a scenario where that number doesn't continue to grow over time. i think it's going to take a supreme court opinion before alabama and mississippi and texas have same-sex mar

kennedy. >> this is one country. it has become one country because all of us and all the people who came here had an equal chance to develop their talents. we cannot say that 10% of the population that you can't have that right. >> send me your e-mails on that, or anything else you want to send me. stay with us. [ female announcer ] caltrate's done even more to move us. because vitamin d3 helps bones absorb calcium, caltrate has the highest level of vitamin d3. more than any other brand, to help maximize calcium absorption. so caltrate women can move the world. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instead of "strength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings. [ grunts ] well, i travel a lot and umm... [ male announcer ] at visa signature, every upgraded experience comes from listening to our cardholders. visa signature. your idea of what a card should be. visa signature. for a store near you go to benjaminm

it actually made me think, justice kennedy took the place of robert bork. who is the chairman of the senate judiciary committee that ousted bork? joe biden. in 2007, the court ruled 5-4 that the epa could regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant under the clean air act like it regulates mercury and lead and other types of smog. that was a landmark ruling because it meant that the epa administratively by itself could write rules limiting global warming emissions from coal-fired power plants and almost anything else without the approval of congress. now, when president bush was in office, the epa did not try to do that. when president obama came in, he said let's have the congress try it first. and folks might remember when nancy pelosi was speaker they passed a bill in the house. and then the bill died in the senate because it was filibustered. so now this is obama saying all right we're going to go to the epa and go around the congress. >> if he could do it unilaterally why did he wait so long? >> because i think it's politically better to let everybody parti

we have spent a lot of time at the kennedy space center. the only place on the globe from which humans have departed our planet on a trip to the moon and from where i commanded both space shuttles, discovery and endeavor. even though it is not our first time at the kennedy library in boston, we are glad to be back. we are so sorry for the violence and terror that all of you have endured. we know what that is like. i saw combat in iraq and kuwait. gabby lived through a mass shooting. we know how violence changes lives. we know that those touched by violence and matters less what you call it. crime, terrorism, war -- because violence defies categories -- it draws a line in the sand and time before and after. before, gabby could ride her motorcycle around the foothills of the mountains and speak easily and often to her neighbors and after. before, when parents in tucson or martin richard's parents could go to sleep wondering what wonderful thing their child would say when he woke up the next morning and after. for the victims of boston, the bo

kennedy appear to take this? >> absolutely she was terribly upset. thought she handled herself excellently. she was not in a state of panic. she was deeply concerned about her husband. >> reporter: my father campaigned for kennedy and became his delegate. a compton city councilman, he believed the senator was the best hope for bridging the economic and racial divide. he and thousands of supporters were celebrating. >> it's on to chicago. let's win this. >> reporter: and then panic rippled through the ball room. >> is there a doctor in the house. >> reporter: five rushed back stage to help, including my father, a trauma surgeon. kennedy's friend, a union official who shared the stage with him minutes earlier was the first to take down. he took a bullet to the head while standing next to the senator. >> the bullet went into the first layer of the skull and out. >> you're lucky. >> very lucky. if i had been an inch taller, it really would have got me. >> reporter: the doctor saw him bleeding on the floor. >> you check him. there's another doctor there.

annedyalito, kennedy in -- lead delaware and kennedy in dissent. -- alito and kennedy in dissent. people always wonder about justice kennedy. what role does he play in the core? he has replaced justice o'connor as the -- what role does he play in the court? there is no justice that is more often in the majority than justice kennedy. in this particular term, he was in the majority 80% of the time. importantee most cases, those involving affirmative action and the protein rights act of 1965 and same-sex marriage -- voting rights act of 1965 and same-sex marriage, he was the only one in the majority in every one of those cases. beenof his leadership has pretty dramatic. we will long be parsing the doma case, the case we will be talking about this morning and what is justice kennedy up to there? those are some of the questions we might ask. i put them on the table as general thought as a way of getting perspective to our discussion of the roberts court. we have wonderful people lined up on our panel. we want to focus our discussion on a few cases. we make no pretense at being comprehe

aklito and -- alito and kennedy in dissent. people always wonder about justice kennedy. what role does he play in the core? he has replaced justice o'connor as the -- what role does he play in the court? there is no justice that is more often in the majority than justice kennedy. in this particular term, he was in the majority 80% of the time. in the three most important cases, those involving affirmative action and the protein rights act of 1965 and same-sex marriage -- voting rights act of 1965 and same-sex marriage, he was the only one in the majority in every one of those cases. some of his leadership has been pretty dramatic. we will long be parsing the doma case, the case we will be talking about this morning and what is justice kennedy up to there? those are some of the questions we might ask. i put them on the table as general thought as a way of getting perspective to our discussion of the roberts court. we have wonderful people lined up on our panel. we want to focus our discussion on a few cases. we make no pretense at being comprehensive. you cannot do that i

the man who announced kennedy's death was frank mankiewicz.ho went on to an illustrious political and journalism career. and he joins us now from washington, d.c. thanks for being in "the war room," frank. >> oh not at all. pleasure to be here. >> michael: frank tell us about the moment right after his assassination. how did you feel? where were you when that happened? >> well, i was with him at the ambassador hotel in los angeles. we were on the platform together and we were off to join the what we call the writing press. it used to be called the press, a nice acronym, and then at the last minute one of the hotel people came to me and said the senator says he is too tired to walk through that crowd again, and he wants to go out the back end -- entrance, which i'm going to lead him through. and he did, and i followed. the only other security senator he had besides me. he and i jumped off of the back of the platform to join him and this maitre d' i guess he was, and then we call a call from ethyl, mrs. kennedy, who only a few of us knew she was

everyone except kennedy survived.g the people he had helped. two publications cited his service, a cover story in "jet" magazine and a photo caption in "life," but i couldn't find him in the picture. so we tracked down the man who took it. >> so who is identified as dr. ross miller in that picture? >> i don't know. >> he's responsible for many of the iconic images of that night. >> i backed into the crowd. i'm holding the crowd back. the camera's around my neck, and every once in a while i would go like that. that's how this picture was made. >> reporter: but of all the pictures he took, none captured my father tending the injured. to this day he says he can't talk about that night with anyone who was there with him. >> i find it quite difficult. we all know what would have happened. >> reporter: what would have happened? >> the country would be in a far better place, i believe, had he become president. >> reporter: the loss of kennedy so traumatized him he fled to the mountains. paul schrade went to the dezzer. essen

emember that justice kennedy was a dissenter in gruder. this ct that he authors and there are five votes as good law is big news. so affirmative action in higher education lives on. the second headline, i think, is fisher changed gruder. always, the devil is in the details. was faithful to grudener but the way he defined the university's burden under scrutiny is rather anding and some say it may redefine gruder. i read the fifth circuit opinion nd it is not like the fifth circuit forgot about graduator. it is not like they didn't cite right precedent. the opinion discusses graduator t length and indeed in discussing the standard of review it quotes graduator. justice faith language contend honest in on comes straight from the graduator majority. explanation for the reversal in fisher is that the tpeufifth it wrong and was ov verdeferential to schools beyond whether gruder allowed. but another possibility is that grudener less deferential on strict scrutiny. strict scrutiny stricter than the strict embraced.hat gruder i think fisher signifi

and 45 years ago today robert kennedy was gunned down. >> would a doctor come right here? >> reporter: that was doctor there, and therein lies a very personal story told for the first time by michelle miller. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. today robert bales told a military court that he committed the worst american atrocity in the afghan war, but he does not know why. 15 months ago in the middle of the night bales left his combat outpost alone and murdered 16 afghan civilians in cold blood. mostly women and children. the bodies were delivered to a morgue in a truck. nine of them were children and bales had set many of the bodies on fire. in a deal, prosecutors dropped the death penalty and in return bales pleaded guilty to premeditated murder today and told a judge what happenedded that night. ben tracy is covering the hearing at joint base lewis-mcchord outside seattle. >> reporter: staff sergeant robert bales told the military court his rampage on march 11, 2012, was premeditated and without justifi

kennedy congratulations.r: tapped by president reagan, he's the last supreme court justice to win unanimous approval from the senate. his hearing far from contentious. >> it seems to me that most americans, most lawyers, most judges believe that liberty includes protection of the value that we call privacy. >> reporter: but kennedy's rulings would go on to confound supreme court watchers. he sipded with the conservative majority in the 5-4 ruling in bush versus gore and again in the citizens united case, writing the opinion that opened the floodgates of super p.a.c. money into the political process. social conservatives were well aware on their issues kennedy was no sure thing. >> in particular he swings left on the social issues. >> reporter: in the end kennedy waged an emotional assault on doma offering same sex couples a second tier marriage that you had -- humiliates children. social conservatives point out the supreme court didn't legalize same sex marriage across the country. so for all the high praise

a word that the author of the opinion, anthony kennedy, uses 10 times.e says it's a legitimate personal bond that deserves deep recognition. but the opponents will say no, no, the key to the ruling is that the states get to decide what marriage is. so those are some of the complexities. gwen: john, the one thing this did not do was give any kind of constitutional protection to gay marriage. it stopped well short of that. >> that wasn't even the issue in that case, it was the second case involving california's proposition eight where the justices could, if they had chosen to, gone all the way and actually decided whether there should be a constitutional right to same sex marriage nationwide. not just in the states that already have it. and what the court did in that case was essentially say we're not going to decide. the challengers in the case, those who had defended proposition eight, which everyone remembers with 2008 ballot initiative there, that defined marriage as only between a man and a woman and stopped all local efforts to actually have same sex

writing for the majority, anthony kennedy said, quote, the federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose comes the purpose to disparage and injure those whom the state by its marriage laws sought to protect in person hood and dignity. scalia was unconvinced by the majority assurances that this decision wasn't passing judgment on the underlying issue of the legality of same-sex marriage. therefore bypassing the wilf individual states and voters. quote, we might have covered ourselves with honor today by promising all sides of this debate it was theirs to settle and that we would respect their resolution. the court has cheated both sides. edie windsor, the original plaintiff, cried when she heard the news. >> to justices of the supreme court, thank you foray firming the principle of equal justice under the law. >> reporter: former press bill clinton that signed doma into law today applauded the court's decision, along with president obama who also had pivoted on the issue. defense secretary chuck hagel pledged to immediately begin determining how the pentagon will roll out federal

the widow of senator ted kennedy, vicki kennedy. she is here with me right now. vicki, thank you for coming. >> of course. >> and we've got tommy o'neill, who is getting to be frighteningly resembling his dad, tip o'neill. i was fortunate to work for him awhile. vicki, this whole question in massachusetts and trying to get to the bottom of the state, ted kennedy was always re-elected because it wasn't because he was a celebrity, it was because he worked for the state. >> well, massachusetts is just a wonderful, fabulous place to live, and people are concerned about is the same things they're concerned about around the country. they're concerned about their families. they're concerned about their futures. i've been lucky enough to travel around recently on behalf of ed markey. we have an election tomorrow for the united states senate. ed markey is on the ballot. i hope everyone will go out and vote. it's very, very important for their futures. i've been hearing the same things i heard when i was traveling around the state with ted. people are worried about their f

there in the corner standing just outside of kennedy's room-- dr. miller. >> yes! it's him!rter: it's him! >> that's him. >> reporter: finally proof if black and white that my family history is forever entwined with that terrible night in american history. >> reporter: thank you! michelle miller, cbs news, los angeles. >> pelley: and that's the "cbs evening news" for tonight. for all of us at cbs news all around the world, good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org thumbs. they help kids thrive indoors, but my husband and i were certain that they had a greater purpose than... this. so, we reintroduced them to their natural habitat, and the purpose of those thumbs became quite clear. ♪ it's truly awe-inspiring to watch them do what they were designed to do. ♪ we may live in houses. but we are born for busch gardens. our ships are designed for wow. ♪ oh ♪ sometimes ♪ i get a good feeling ♪ yeah ♪ get a feeling that i never, never, never, never had before ♪ ♪ no, no, i get a good feeling ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] all this... o

justice kennedy writing the majority decision. the majority opinion said that that is a violation of the equal protection clause of the constitution. jeff toobin, this is going to have a lot of specific ramifications for individuals. this case was brought by a woman who had to pay $363,000 in ta s taxes, because even though she was married according to the laws of canada, where she and her same-sex partner were married, the federal government did not recognize that, and, therefore, she had to pay $363,000 in taxes. this is going to mean real things to real people. >> real things to real people, to thousands of couples, whether it be same-sex marriages, legal in 12 states and the district of columbia. a lot of people have been married. all of them have been denied the privileges of marriage under federal law. now, they will have it. that means joint tax returns. that means social security survivor benefits. it means -- there are hundreds of references to marriage in federal law. these gay people are now married under federal law. t

kennedy and in the hours before her death, she claims she had an argument with bobby kennedy.y kennedy trying to quiet her down with a pillow so the neighbors wouldn't hear her shouting. >> some of these files this we reviewed contain elements that are not 100% verifiable. they are his recollections to his daughter. >> otash was part of the l.a.p.d. until 1955 after a falling out with the police chief so he became gum shoe to the stars. the real life gum shoe helped inspired the character jack nicholson played in "chinatown." >> he moved in the gray zone between the police, the mob, the private investigators who made hollywood in the 1950s such an interesting place. >> now, otash's daughter said she released all that information to the "hollywood reporter" because she thought her father's reputation was being maligned. >> interesting. a weird little underworld you revealed for us. >> "a wild rumpus" author was paid tribute to today by google. he died last year. among his most cherished lines is "there should be a place where only the things you want to happen happen." we miss

they hated the kennedy and they were hated teddy. he fire bombs jack kennedy's bitter place and spray painted bust teddy. >> a swell guy. >> meanwhile his brother is also fighting against the -- and -- and . >> well, in rerning the book i traveled to california because whitey spent federal years for bank robbery. and he was sent to alcatraz which was the first maximum federal security prison in the country. he looked at alcatraz fondly like where we look at our alma mater. it gave heath him a lot he went to al can raise. we have a chapter in the book called university of can trays. >> anybody can step through harvard. but in the boston area but when you can go to alcatraz. that's right. he was a high school dropout who earned his ged while he was in the air force. where he educate himself was in l can trays. he boasted he read a book a day. became well read. read military history. mack when they hear the -- i think he's in the cleveland crew. [laughter] he knew who he was. took the lesson well. one of the interesting things you could

it's what's justice kennedy wrote about. those kids, thousands upon thousands being raised by same-sex parents. it gives them the same rights, protections and privileges as a straight child being raised by straight parents. we have to move with great speed and urgency to ensure that families across this country have equal protection under the law. and we're well on our way. we're not there yet, but we're well on our way. >> thank you. bring in brian brown. you heard the questions asked, let's take the first one. who is harmed by legalizing same-sex marriage? >> well, we just saw who is harmed. the rule of law is harmed an all those millions of voters in the state of california who stood up and said, we know the truth about marriage. we know that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. they are harmed when the courts are used to say they don't have a right to be represented. chad talks about american values, is it an american value to deprive those people in california who stood up and voted to protect marriage as a union

that jack kennedy would not live to see resolved.nnedy would have been on. >> i want to pay tribute to those citizens north and south who have been working in their communities to make life better for all. they are acting not out of a sense of legal duty, but out of a sense of human decency. like our soldiers and sailors in all parts of the world they are meeting freedoms challenged in all parts of the firing line and i salute them for their honor and for their courage. dog barks] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪ i want peacocks. peacocks? walking the grounds. in tuscany. [ man ] her parents didn't expect her dreams to be so ambitious. italy? oh, that's not good. [ man ] by exploring their opt

justice kennedy is using the word dignity over and over again. and he is saying you can't de demean gay and less bee an couple. in both your backgrounds, you will be you viewed as intolerant of gay right as, intolerant of gays going back to the christian coalition. how do you answer justice kennedy saying to -- possess gay marriage is to deny dignity to people? >> what i'd say is he is denying dignity to the millions of americans who for moral and religious reasons believe gay marriage is wrong as you've just said, you have 37 states where the people have decided that they want to protect the marriage between a man and a woman because they know that that's the environment where children can thrive and succeed. that's been proven. so it's not about the desires of adults, it's really about the best environment for children. we're talking all about politics, but the reason governments at the state level and the federal level have recognized marriage between a man and a woman is because it's better for our country and it's better for children. >> jus