kenneth chesbro is not a key figure. where he tried to overturn the 2020 ejection. he was indicted earlier this week in georgia. he is one of the unindicted coconspirators in the special counsel jack smith's january 6th probe. if you don't know him, he's the alleged architect of the fake elector scheme. and now we have figured out where kenneth chesbro was on january 6th. something that previously he refused to answer. it turns out he was following info wars host alex jones around the capitol grounds. you can see his face highlighted here in the red hat. cnn's kfile was able to track his movements in photos and videos. what's not clear is why he was following and seemingly recording alex jones. there's no indication he entered the capitol building or engaged in violence that day. still, why this is remarkable is because kenneth chesbro is the only member of trump's efforts who is now known to have been on the capitol grounds that day. i'm joined by -- senior investigative counsel for the january 6th house select committe

and now we have figured out where kenneth chesbro was on january 6th.llowing info wars host alex jones around the capitol grounds. you can see his face highlighted here in the red hat. cnn's kfile was able to track his movements in photos and videos. what's not clear is why he was following and seemingly recording alex jones. there's no indication he entered the capitol building or engaged in violence that day. still, why this is remarkable is because kenneth chesbro is the only member of trump's efforts who is now known to have been on the capitol grounds that day. i'm joined by -- senior investigative counsel for the january 6th house select committee. did the committee know about this? >> the committee did not know about this, that he was on the capitol on that day. so, i think that is, you know, we do commend the extensive work the journalists have done. frankly when i joined the committee, part of the work that we did was follow up the work journalists started from months before. it's a great find, very important. >> he he seessentially pleaded fif

to implement that plan they turned to another alleged coconspirator, wisconsin lawyer kenneth chesbro. he drafted memos basically fake electors for dummies memo. and thee drafted those are each of these electors to follow in targeted states. as he started to distribute these fake electors for dummies memos to the states, some people on the ground with weren't sure about this plan. one arizona attorney thought the plan was wild, creative. and while he guessed wrongfully it was legally harmless, he recognized the plan was essentially exactly what it was. we'd just be sending in fake electoral votes to pence. in pennsylvania and elsewhere the electioners themselves were getting nervous about this proposed plan, so rudy giuliani allegedly lied to them, telling their fake elector certificates were just a fail safe. they would only be used if trump managed to win the election in court. now, he worried the fake electors might be getting cold feet and drafted new memos, memos that removed references to the actual plan, which was deliberately overturning an election. internally, inside trump w

also on the list, kenneth chesbro, scott hall, a georgia bail bon bn who apparently helped powell break into voting machines. -- ray smith a georgia lawyer were advised president's for collectors. kathy lanham, coffee county gop chair and for collector. and also harrison floyd, executive director of lack voices for trump. he is the only one staying in jail with no current when it meto the georgia election, racketri, solicitation in violation of oath by police, nsracy to impersonate police, conspac file false statements cspacy to file false stock humans and filing false documents. at is just a portion of the charges expected to be put against the former president in relation to the georgia election and in relation to the alleged

with a suggestion that the trial might not be that far away, one of the codefendants, kenneth chesbroquested it be brought forward to october 23, 59 days away. the district attorney has called his bluff. she says she is ready and she will seek to prosecute on 19 defendants from that day. we can speak to an attorney, the visiting executive at the tuck school of business. thank you for being with us this evening. i was listening to jane jordan, a former georgia senator who testified to the grand journe jury, and she said she felt like she had been living through a period of national gas lighting, and this is the beginning of accountability. i guess there are many people who feel like that. >> it is interesting that there are, as we expected, two very polarized responses. the first american president to have a criminal mugshot. one group is saying he is a criminal and it is about time he was treated like a criminal, he has a mugshot that shows he is a criminal, and no one is above the law. there is another group that is saying that he is a victim of political persecution, and as mentione

also on the list, kenneth chesbro, scott hall, a georgia bale bondsman who apparently helped powell break into voting machines. david schaefer, former republican chair, ray smith, a georgia lawyer were advised president's for collectors. kathy lanham, coffee county gop chair and fake elector. and also harrison floyd, executive director of the black voices for trump. when it comes to the georgia election, racketeering, solicitation in violation of oath by police, conspiracy to impersonate police conspiracy file false statements, conspiracy to file false stochumans and filing false documents. that is jt a portion of the chges expected to be put against the former president in relation to the georgia election and in relation to the alleged activities he participated in. this evening, as we watch this play out over the next hour, we are going to take your calls. you can text us too. we start tonight in richmond, virginia. caller: i am so gay. they got him in georgia. i applaud georgia. they finally got him, to the point he can't do what he has done. look at those idiots who followed behind hi

and today one of the architects of the fake electors plot, ken kenneth chesbro is booked. paula, it's a little bit different than the other defendants so far. giuliani is planning to work out his bond terms and surrender all in one day. >> that's right, brianna. a source tells me he wants to get this all done today before form are president trump comes to town tomorrow. right now we've learned that jul rudy giuliani is huddled in the courthouse behind me. once the bond agreement is in place, then giuliani can surrender. the process will involve fingerprinting and a mug shot, considering a he was one of the most powerful law enforcement officials in this country when he was serving as a u.s. owner in new york. now he's a criminal defendant in a rico case in georgia. it's unclear if he has an attorney who is going to help him throughout this case. all he needs today is someone with a georgia license who can sign that bond agreement. we were told he has secured that person but we know because of his significant legal debt. he owes millions of dollars in legal fees to various

co-conspirator number five, kenneth chesbro, he sent rusy giuliani an email memo about this fake electors plot, central to the plan again to overturn the election. final co-conspirator as yet unnamed, this one a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent lates of electors to obstruct the certification proceeding, the indictment alleges this person sent giuliani email identifying lawyers in the six swing states who could assist in the fake elector plot. one point that comes across with all six of these is that this was not just about one state, it was about several states, as well as, of course, the national procedure, while the vote on january 6th -- >> this isn't over. the special counsel was clear to say that the investigation is still ongoing when he spoke briefly yesterday after this indictment was handed up. so these co-conspirators, they could be facing pressure to cooperate with investigators, something that eastman's attorney said he won't do, but maybe others are eyeing that possibility. >> possibility we'll continue to watch closely. six states as well

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in donald trump's plan to try and overturn the election, a plan that started in earnest with kenneth chesbrohing, no response. his attorney did issue -- the kfile team, kaczynski and his team, a statement, saying they're going to deal with this in court. chesbro is supposed to be one of the guys turning himself in next week. asked throughout this entire thing, there's really been no clear understanding or explanation why a trump campaign attorney -- he was hired by the trump campaign -- would be there so close to alex jones in the middle of this mob. there's really no -- right now, there's no explanation for that. >> shimon poke perez, appreciate it. thanks so much. >>> with the former president not expected in next week's republican presidential debate, we're going to look at how that changes it for other candidates, particularly chris christie, who took a shot at governor desantis. ♪ ♪ wake up, gotta go! c'mon, c'mon. -gracie, c'mon. let's go! guys, c'mon! mo c'mon! mia! [ gine revving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ made it! mom! lea

eastman, attorney sidney powell, former justice department official jeffrey clark, and attorney kenneth chesbro. sixth is unclear but is described as a political consultant who helped implement the so-called fake electors scheme. special counsel jack smith says he wants to bring this case to trial soon. >> in this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. >> the former president called the indictment fake and questioned why it took so long to file charges. one of his lawyers, john lohro, said on the "today" show that trump is being charged over what he said instead of what he did. >> this is the first time that the first amendment has been criminalized. it is the first time that a sitting president is attacking a political opponent on first amendment grounds and basically making a criminal to state your position and to engage in political -- >> i'll give you a little time-out on that one. because -- >> we haven't seen that before. >> well, the indictment specifically says the president has a first amendment right to sp

donald john trump, rudy giuliani, charles eastman, mark meadows, kenneth chesbro, jeffrey clarke, the list goes on and on, and i'm wondering why the long list and why the number of charges do you group them together? do you try them separately? what's the process here? and what can we look forward to in the days and months to come? this is a mess of a case. it's this will not hold up in if this will not hold up under the law, if it if it is not reversed by the georgia court, it will be reversed by the supreme court of the united states. the question is when whether it's before the presidential election on november 7th 2024 or after but this is a shotgun approach by a democrat prosecutor who is campaigning on taking out president trump through the legal process through law fair, she set up a website. she's raising money off of this. this is a joke of a complaint and back to you now. cash patel is the ease your take. same as mike. i mean, is it one of those things where you think you know what? they've got a lot of names on this list. they get a lot of charges on this list. what's the g

rudy giuliani, john eastman, sidney powell, kenneth chesbro, all lawyers and jeffrey clark at the department of justice and the sixth is unknown, -- an unknown political consultant. what is the reaction -- your reaction to the indictment and today's events? caller: thanks for having me on. what i can understand is why jack smith left out the two words peacefully and patriotically out of the indictment? i also cannot understand why they have not indicted anyone else for disputing any former election because there has been lots of democrats through several different elections, this be the elections -- dispute the elections and no one said anything to them at all. no charges have been filed against any democrats. no one has done anything to any democrats and as far as the documents, what about all these other folks that have these documents? biting --biden, obama, bush, why haven't they been charged? host: thanks for calling in, jason in grapevine, texas. president trump's campaign -- the president sent out a tweet three hours ago. "i need one more indictment to ensure my election." please go a

people which includes folks rudy giuliani and many of the campaign attorneys like john eastman, kenneth chesbrosome unindicted co-conspirators. there could be some folks locally on the ground who were trying to convince poll workers to admit to committing election fraud and some other local news like that. host: the fulton county d.a. is expected to build the case around the georgia racketeering influenced and corrupt organizations act. how would she use that law? guest: george's racketeering act is modeled after the federal law created in 1970 to go after mobsters. in many ways, george's law is broader and more flexible. it has a broader definition for what racketeering is and it's easier to prove the racketeering occurred and it allows prosecutors to introduce evidence that on its own might not be able to be its own charge in court but can help prove a broader pattern of criminal racketeering activity. she hired one of the foremost racketeering experts in that case was working for free in her office and we are expecting he will have a big role in crafting what could be a very strong narrative

kenneth chesebro. saying that he was asked by the trump campaign to provide advice on issues related to constitutional and election law. each of the alleged overt acts that are attributed to mr. chesbroate to his work as an attorney. that's the main part of that statement. i suspect that's going to be something that we repeatedly hear as we get more statements from the people who were also listed in the indictment. >> laura, let's talk about the size, the scope of this indictment. i think that was a surprise we are talking about 19 different people. i did a quick check. at least nine are lawyers. as i'm reading through, i'm thinking, this isn't bread crumbs. there are emails, text messages, phone messages, phone calls, public statements, public press conferences. risk versus strength. when you look at that idea that nine lawyers at least were involved in all of this, according to the indictment, what are the risks in the size of this? what are the strengths of this indictment? >> they certainly -- the prosecutors will argue they should have known better if they were lawyers. it appears at least in some of the communications, they did know better. john eastman says, the president is a