now for the first time cnn has identified kenneth chesebro outside the capitol on january 6. he followed right wing conspiracy theorist alex jones for about an hour. chesebro is the alleged architect of a plot to use fake electors to stop the certification of joe biden's win. this week he was indicted along with trump and 17 others in georgia. he's also been identified as an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal case against the former president. >> cnn projects joseph r. biden jr. as elected the 46th president of the united states. >> reporter: in the days after the november 2020 election, chesebro wrote a memo to a lawyer for donald trump. it's among the earliest known documents outlining the legal strategy trump would allegedly try to use. his memo focuses on january 6 as the hard deadline with ultimate significance to determine the validity of electoral votes. emails obtained by the january 6 committee show chesebro later suggesting to the trump campaign the ferp of, quote, wild chaos on that day could provoke the supreme court to take action. >> go to the white house.

when kenneth chesebro said i demand a speedy trial, what did fani willis do? oh, i've got you a speedy trial right. here october 23rd, let's go. in fact, she said i'm ready to try all 19 defendants on october 23rd. now, judge mcafee said let's start with the defendant who demanded a speedy trial. now we have a second one. sidney powell, but she indicated, unflinchingly, she is ready to go against all 19. she has her ducks in a row. and then some. if this was kenneth chesebro trying to call fani willis's bluff, she called his bluff. now what he may do, ali, is once he begins to get the discovery dump, the millions of documents, he might say, judge, i withdraw my request for a speedy trial. i didn't realize i was going to be contending with so much evidence. so stay tuned for that. >> paul, if one law would like to see justice play out here, i've read all of the indictments. they are all very detailed. jack smith looks very prepared. fani willis looks very prepared. obviously, this will be tried, and there will be a jury of their peers. which one should one who

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kenneth chesebro. and his attorney says mr. chesebro will look forward to whatever date the court sates. this is of interest to donald trump because he brought on a new lead attorney, steven sadow, replacing drew finling who had been working on the case for the last year. i want you to get a little bit of a look outside the jail hours before donald trump is expected to arrive here. take a listen. >> it's just a beautiful thing to have someone who's just a regular guy come out and with his flaws say sarcastic things are nothing but the truth. >> he's never lied. >> reporter: i want to ask you guys, by a show of handles, who thinks the 2020 election was stolen. >> pastor, get over here. here's our pastor right here. >> reporter: so everybody here thinks the 2020 election -- >> absolutely. it was. >> reporter: chris, we expect donald trump to arrive here later on this evening for his official booking process, those are supporters who are on the front side of the jail. there are dozens of his backers who have been here over the cour

if kenneth chesebro, if he is successful in getting, sorry, if chesebro is successful in severing his case, that bodes well for, sorry, is don trump's successful in severing his case, that would have an effect on everybody else in this case as well, correct? and likewise, if mark meadows is able to move his case into federal court, that also would apply to everyone in that case, in this case. is that correct? >> it's not clear. the removal statute says that when you have a federal official acting within the scope of his duties and others under his direction, they may remove the case to federal court. and so i think all of this turns on whether anyone was really acting within the scope of the authority of the native states of america. i think it's a pretty easy answer. the answer is no. but if a judge were to find that mark meadows and donald trump are acting within the scope of their authority and these others were simply acting at the direction to advance the interests of the country, not a candidate or the campaign, but the country, then they could come along as well. but it could b

it does turn out that the fraud was kenneth chesebro, he dreamed it up. he's a lot smarter, unprecedented, it turned out, but a lot smarter than john eastman. i don't think he could've come up with all of this. basically he plotted how to take a little snippet here, another snippet there, and three a kind of -- made up a lot of known law which would not only be rejected by the supreme court 19 i, think that just did not make any sense at all. and so i guess i'm flattered to be fodder, i suppose. it just shows how fraudulent it all was. and how no reasonable lawyer could possibly believe in. this isn't like giving legal advice. lawyers can give advice. when lawyers helped to build the machine, to tear down the republic, and the government, and to prevent the transition of power by making factually false statements, statements in that memo, the newly discovered one, and one that had also featured in the indictment. the memo that the chesbrough wrote on november 16th when it had become clear that even the lawyers for trump said that they have lost arizona, a

i never dealt with kenneth chesebro.was an attorney who came in when the former president stopped listen to his white house counsel. as we saw in the indictment, there will be violence in the streets if you do this. i am old enough to remember ten ye years ago in the gop, if you were paling around with alex jones, you would have been chased out. he was very much involved in this effort we know and had a close line to the white house. >> do you think this has legal implications for the president's pending cases, for the president? not just for chesebro? >> no, not for the president. it does speak to sort of the inner play here between the legal team, the events of january 6th, and that the fringe became the center of the republican party at this moment. alex jones was the fringe of the republican party and yet the people who were with him, the lawyers that were advising alex jones were part of the electoral college scheme. it came together in a really terrible, violent way on january 6th. >> i want to ask you, the frontru

fani willis and kenneth chesebro are in agreement, yeah, that's fine. does that mean we might see a trial with just him or him and a few others as soon as october? >> reporter: possibly, but in order for donald trump to get out from under that trial date, a judge is first going to have to decide that his case should be severed from the rest of them, and the standard for zef whether state court or federal court, that the prejudice to you in having to sit next to another defendant is so high that you can't get a full and fair trial sits next to them. the fact that trump would rather be on the campaign trail, for example, doesn't constitute that kind of prejudice, nor does the fact that he has other indictments going on simultaneously. it remains to be seen -- first of all, we haven't seen trump's motion. he's just filed a notice that he intends to file his own motion, and it remains to be seen whether a judge will entertain that, and then of course there's the other issue, is this case going to be in the state court to begin with. i think mark meadow's mo

if kenneth chesebro, it's really still unclear, even now. a. if he is successful -- sorry, if chesebro is successful in severing's case, that bodes well -- sorry, if donald trump is successful in serena's case, that would have an effect on everybody else in this kill the case as well, correct? and likewise, if mark meadows is able to move his case in the federal court, that too would apply to everybody else in that case. is that correct? >> it's not clear. so, the removal statute says that when you have a federal official acting within the scope of his duties, and others under his direction, they may remove the case to federal court. and so, i think all of this turns on whether anyone was acting within the scope of the authority of the united states of america. i think it's a pretty easy answer that the answer is no. but if a judge were to find that mark meadows or donald trump were acting within the scope of their authority and with these others were simply acting at their direction to advance the interests of the country, not a candidate or th

part of this case and it really lays out that even the man outlining this fake electors plot, kenneth chesebroit was far fetched and knew it likely would not get through the courts and he kept pushing this plan and it's clear in the memo that chesebro wanted to create confusion in the hopes that those fake electors could, in fact be real electors for joe biden on january 6th. this was a plan he planned to execute with mike pence in his role and we obviously know that didn't happen. it's a six-page memo. he lays out the four challenges that were happening in the states, and then he each talks about the supreme court getting involved. he puts it this way saying even if in the end the supreme court would likely end up ruling that the power to count the votes does not lie with the president of the senate, mike pence, but instead lies with congress, letting matters play out this way would guarantee that public attention would be riveted on the evidence of electoral abuses by the democrats and would also buy the trump campaign more time to win litigation. so that's what this was about. this was abou

new reporting on one of the alleged architects of the trump 2020 fake electors plot, attorney kenneth chesebrober, chesebro was one of the unindicted co-conspirators in the federal election case. he's charged in the georgia case. and now cnn has identified chesebro on video following around conspiracy theorist alex jones on the grounds of the u.s. capitol on january 6th. with me now cnn's senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz. on the video. >> on the video. big question, what was he doing there, right? not only is he working behind the scenes and now we know allegedly that he is the architect of this whole scheme to introduce fake electors, but now we see him actually on the grounds of the capitol on january 6th. what we've also discovered is that he is interviewed by the special -- by the committee, the january 6th committee, by members of congress, and he talks about -- they talk about this sort of idea about creating chaos and his whole idea behind that in terms of trying to slow down the voting, the process of certifying the election, and so it's really interesting now to

one of the defendants, kenneth chesebro, asked for a speedy trial and d.a. fani willis said let's go. she also wants to try all the defendants beginning that day. >> georgia's secretary of state has been subpoenaed to testify against mark meadows this monday. that's when a hearing will be held to discuss whether trump's former chief of staff can move his case to federal court. >> and there is one co-defendant who had to spend the night in jail, harrison floyd, he's the leader of black voters for trump. he slept over after he failed to negotiate a bond agreement before surrendering. we're going to cover all of this, this morning. "cnn this morning" starts right now. >>> if you think about it, it was just five months ago that we were talking about maybe one indictment, maybe two, maybe three. and now it has been four and this one is different because this comes with a mug shot. >> fingerprints. >> inmate number. >> yeah. >> quite a night. >> a moment of history. >> for sure. this morning you're waking up to that moment of history. former president trump's mug

kenneth chesebro, one of the defendants has demanded his speedy trial rates. georgia has a strict speedy trial law that essentially says if a defendant wants to be tried quickly, he has the right to be tried what amounts to this case by november of this year, 2023, not 2024. the trial has to start by then. and the d.a. has agreed to this and the judge has agreed to this. now, the question is will any of the other defendants be pulled forward to have a trial that quickly. the d.a. fani willis has said i'm ready to try all 19 of them in late october 2023. the problem, though, is she cannot force people who don't want a speedy trial. she cannot force defendants who do not want -- >> obviously the former president does not want a speedy trial. >> tactically what this is going to do is lead us to a situation where we're going to have at least two speedy trials, maybe more. you get to see the government's whole case. you get to see the witnesses take the stand. you get to see cross-examination, what worked, what didn't. it's a very important move by kenneth chesebro

yes, one of the lawyers that helped do this was kenneth chesebro, and yes kenneth chesebro did it partlye memos that what i had said about florida in the case of bush v. gore could somehow be extrapolated to all the states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, arizona. new mexico, he completely twisted everything out of shape. and to get into the weeds of how he did it, it's really basically piling on. i don't think i need to do that, the indictment makes it clear. a lot of other scholars have now gone into it. there is an essay on msnbc. com by norm eisen and fred today that explains it all. i don't want to make it look like, oh, i am offended that chesebro did something to my work. that's really not what the important point is. the important point is that a number of lawyers unlike the great tradition of making even pretty bold arguments in court, in open court. just an adversary and a judge to weigh things. a number of lawyers and secret writing confidential memos, twisting the law, with nobody on the other side. it's a lot like what alan dershowitz did. in the senate, although, that wa

kenneth chesebro files for a speedy trial. 2:00 p.m. rudy giuliani reaches a bond agreement with district attorney fani willis. 2:30 p.m. fani willis files a brief in response to jeffrey clark's emergency motion to federal judge steve jones asking the judge to in effect block his arrest. 2:45 p.m. district attorney willis files a brief in response to mark meadows' emergency motion to federal judge steve jones asking to in effect block his arrest. 2:50 p.m. sydney powell suvendors.nd 3:06 p.m. rudolph giuliani surrenders. 4:38 p.m. jenna ellis surrenders. 5:00 p.m., judge jones denies jeffrey d clarks' emergency motion. 5:40 p.m. judge jones denies mark meadows' emergency motion. 7:15 p.m. district attorney willis files a brief in response to mark meadows' request to remove his case to federal court. in district attorney willis' 20-page brief opposing moving the case against mark meadows to federal court she raises an issueis that i for one am embarrassed to say i had not thought of, the hatch act. the hatch act sitting right there. didn

now, you may not recognize him, but that is kenneth chesebro. a lawyer connected to the trump campaign who was allegedly one of the architects of the so-called fake electors plot. chesebro appears to have been referred to in special counsel jack smith's indictment of the former president as unindicted coconspirator, number five. there he is. however, he was not so lucky and district attorney willis's investigation. he is one of the other 18 individuals who was actually charged along donald trump this week. unindicted coconspirator. that was first unearthed, this story, by cnn and later confirmed by the new york times. the man nbc news believed to be chesebro can be seen walking around the capitol grounds in the entourage of the prominent conspiracy theorist, alex jones. at no point in time does he appear to enter the capital itself. lawyers for kenneth chesebro declined to comment when they were approached about the video. it is worth noting that when he was questioned by the house january 6th committee about his whereabouts from december 2020,

kenneth chesebro asked for a speedy trial and fani willis said game on. she also wants to try all the defendants beginning that day. >> and also georgia secretary of state has been subpoenaed to testify against mark meadows on monday. that is when a hearing will be held to discuss whether trump's former chief of staff can move his case to federal court. >> and there is one co-defendant who actually had to spend the night in jail. harrison floyd, leader of black voters for trump. he is left over after he failed to negotiate a bond agreement before surrendering. we'll discuss all of this. "cnn this morning" starts right now. >>> this is the photo you are waking up to. it is donald trump's mug shot at the fulton county jail and it is making the front page across the nation and really around the world. trump only spent about 20 minutes at the jail last night. he was arrested, he was booked as inmate p 01135809. >> and he is flaunting the mug shot now. he made a surprise return to twitter now known as x, first time since he was banned after the january 6 insur

obviously this move comes after we just saw another former trump attorney, kenneth chesebro, who also requested a speedy trial, and he might get it. the judge responded with an october 2023 trial date. as for donald trump, his legal team is taking the exact opposite approach. and they want to push the trial back as far as possible. meanwhile, fulton county district attorney fani willis has served notice she's prepared to start turning over a trove of evidence to defendants' attorneys exactly three weeks from now, september 15th. that comes as willis is facing her first big test in this entire case on monday, when a hearing is going to be held over meadows request to move his request from a state court to a federal one. it is certainly going to look like a minitrial before the real trials get started. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger has been subpoenaed to testify, along with his former lead investigator during the 2020 election. their testimony is likely to center around trump's infamous finding of votes phone call, in which he pressured raffensperger to help him find vot

the january 6th committee actually asked kenneth chesebro about the riot and where he was. o the fifth. -- fulton county georgia, related to trump charges to -- jill wine-banks and jennifer rubin are back with us. also joining us, nbc national security analyst clint watts. he's a former fbi special agent. jennifer, i wonder what it says, a lawyer with the ear of the former president was that close to the mob on january 6th. >> well, i think the entire episode, the entire coup, puts a number of lawyers in a very bad light. it shows that they have left their obligations as officers of the court and become criminals themselves, literally part of the mob in the case of kenneth chesebro. and i think, in drafting those memos and giving this advice, that they knew was not going to hold, would not be accepted in any court, encouraging the president, and then, essentially, being out there with the mob, they have made themselves into criminal defendants. and he is a defendant. he was not named in jack smith 's case, but he was directly in the georgia case. and these people are going t

because kenneth chesebro wrote this memo. charges right now the indictments are against donald trump. so is there anywhere in this memo -- i mean, i don't see donald trump's signature or his initials, says having read anywhere by it. how important is it to prove that donald trump knew what was in this? >> well, they're going to have to link him to the memo in some way, shape or form. in other words, to your point, it's not enough to say that, look, one of your lawyers sent a memo to another one of your lawyers if you never saw the memo. if trump never saw the memo, never was given that advice or acted on that advice it's hard to see how that helps the case against trump. that said i think it's a virtual certainty that mr. chesebro and the other unindicted co-conspirators likely to be named and charged in this case. this will be powerful evidence against them and i think it will be up to the special counsel to find the facts and evidence that links the advice in this memo to former president trump. >> just one last question, t

district attorney willis filed a motion responding to defendant kenneth chesebro's request to a speedy trial by agreeing to a speedy trial for all 19 defendants and asking that that trial begin on october 23rd. 1:37 p.m., defendant jeffrey clark's bond was set at $100,000. 2:15 p.m., defendant mark meadows surrendered, was arrested, booked, and his mug shot went public. 2:27 p.m., defendant harrison floyd was book at fulton county jail. 2:31 p.m., donald trump filed -- his new defense lawyer filed an advisory to the judge, the georgia judge saying he will oppose a speedy thiel and saying donald trump will make a motion to sever his case from defendant chesebro who has demanded a speedy trial. 4:15 p.m., georgia judge scott mcafee set a schedule for defendant chesebro's speedy trial with a trial date set to begin on the date suggested by district attorney willis, october 23rd. leeing off our discussion tonight quen keys let ming, former district attorney of neighboring decalb county, georgia. amy lee copeland, a former georgia prosecutor, also with us two u.s. attorneys, joyce vance now

what does it mean, that both sidney powell and kenneth chesebro want to move up their trial? and is there any benefit to them in doing that? >> right, i think that for these particular defendants, they have a lot at stake. they are both practicing attorneys. you have to imagine that their livelihood is in limbo. based on these charges. they do have a reason to want to get them resolved as soon as possible. it also means that their case will be severed from the remaining codefendants who, although these two have requested a speedy trial, the judge can't force all 19 to go to trial in two months. those cases would be severed out. that also means that those cases, which are severed out, get kind of a sneak peek, right? at the evidence that is going to be presented in this case. although most of the evidence will be confined to the actions of these individuals, it is a rico case, so the state still has to make out the enterprise and the conspiracy. so some of that evidence will still come in in their trial. assuming -- and they may be tried together, since they both filed speedie

after trump lawyer, kenneth chesebro. that would appear to put those two codefendants indirect odds with other ones, including trump himself, who appears to be trying to delay this trial, and others, as long as possible. now, one of those codefendants pushing for delay is trump's former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, on monday though, fifth -- in federal court in atlanta that his case should be heard there instead of a georgia state court. monday will be a busy day for trump's awaited court cases, as there will also be a pre-trial hearing in special counsel jack smith's federal case against trump, for trying to overturn the election. during that hearing, we expect the judge, tanya chutkan, to officially set a date for that trial. which means that at this moment, we may be less than 72 hours away from knowing when donald trump will finally stand trial, and whether or not it will happen before the 2024 presidential election. today, trump's would be opponent in that race, president -- made a rare admission that he

pm, kenneth chesebro files for a speedy trial. two pm, rudolph giuliani reaches a bond agreement with district attorney fani willis. 2:38 am funny willis files a brief in response to defendant jeffrey clark's emergency motion to federal judge steve jones asking the judge to infect block his arrest. 2:45 pm, district attorney willis files a brief in response to defendant mark meadows emergency motion to federal judge steve jones, asking to, any fact, block easy rest. 2:50 pm, sydney powell surrenders. 306 pm, rudolph giuliani surrenders. for 38 pm, jenna ellis surrenders. five people, judge jones denies jeffrey clark's emergency motion, 5:40 pm judge jones denies mark meadows emergency motion. 7:15 pm, just its journey willis files a brief in response to mark meadows request to remove his case to federal court in district attorney's brief opposing moving the case to federal court, she raises an issue that i for 1 am embarrassed to say i had not thought of. the hatch act. the hatch act, sitting right there, didn't think of it, just

this man, kenneth's chesebro.afternoon, judge scott mcafee's scheduled his arraignment, that is where he will formally enter his plea in the case for september the six and set the trial date to begin on october the 23rd. judge mcatee writing, quote, dude to the defendants speedy, trolled filed august 23rd 2023, scheduling will occur on an expedited timeline to meet the november three 2023 deadline to begin trial. at this time, these deadlines do not apply to any codefendant. end quote. for her part, district attorney willis says, she's ready to go. she filed a brief earlier today in support of the october 2023 start date. trump, on the other hand, has a goal of delaying and slowing down these cases as much as he possibly can. you've been following trump's three other criminal cases. you know that that's at the very top of his legal playbook. delayed these trials. so, is it going to work? what can we expect from the other ongoing legal disputes in district attorney willis's sprawling criminal case? back with us, jo

also she's joining kenneth chesebro in this. what are the benefits and risks of getting a speedier trial for these codefendants? >> well, again, i'm speculating now, but i wonder if what they're trying to do by moving for a speedy trial is get out from under the other defendants. in other words, they could move to sever their cases from trump and meadows, et cetera. but by asking for a speedy trial to which is my understanding they're entitled under georgia law, their case goes on a track, which is different from the others. so, whatever their defenses are, this is a way of saying, hey, you know, my case is going to be separate from their cases. there's also a very, you know, sort of interesting pattern here about the ways in which each of the defendants in the georgia case are basically acting inconsistent with one another. our previous discussion about schaffer suggest that. they're pointing the finger at one another. but this speedy trial, trump wants delay. and they want a speedy trial. and the only way one can reconcile tho

kenneth chesebro said i want my speedy trial. fani willis said, fine, we'll see your speedy trial, we'll see you october 23rd and the judge said, okay, that's when we'll do your trial. fani willis said, in fact, i'll try all 19 of you on october 23rd, but me just say, that's not happening. >> they have a right to contest that. >> exactly. you have a right to say i want my speedy trial, but if you need a little more time than two months to prepare, you're going to get it. if he goes first, we're going to have separate sequential trials, big advantage for everyone else. they'll sit back and watch the prosecution try the whole case against kenneth chesebro, see the witnesses, cross exam, take notes. >> if she doesn't meet that date for trial, he's acquitted under georgia law. >> the case gets thrown out if they don't try him on time. >> calendar. >> 2024, nice and free, right? looks good. november is the election we're all watching. let's look at what we have on the schedule. the new york hush money case, remember that one, that has

so as we, saw with kenneth chesebro's case she will call the bluff.she will bring a speedy trial. and so, in this case we could expect her to already be ready to bring donald trump's trial if the judge decides to move this in an expedited fashion. >> charles coleman, it's not unheard of but harry lippman made a reference to donald trump's campaign strategy. >> right. >> that running for president, and possibly becoming president again is probably his best strategy right now. probably the safest strategy. he's facing 91 charges in four different cases at the moment. that's a lot to bet on. so he's got a better strategy and that is winning the republican nomination. last night's debate ties into a strategy. >> absolutely ali. i think you have to keep in mind that donald trump the defendant, and donald trump the candidate. and in a dynamic environment he does not have the space to pivot in both at the same time. so what we saw last night, pretty much ensures for him, i don't have a serious contender. i am more likely than not going to be the republican n

in regards to kenneth chesebro on january 6th, gets much harder for him or donald trump or anybody to claim that what chesebro was providing was merely legalized advice and bouncing ideas around the president, when he is clearly palling around with alex jones on the day of january 6th. it muddies his avenues. so, to the second question about charging the president with a crime, i've been saying for a while it would be very hard to charge the president for a crime for the conduct on january 6th, because you would run into a lot of free-speech questions with the words that he said there and linking him to the actual violence, and then for seditious conspiracy, which some people have been charged and convicted of on january 6th, you would have to approve some agreement or conspiracy that is still thin, based on what is in the public record. now, it is conduct that is shameful? disgraceful? and presidential, un-american whatsoever? absolutely. but i don't know if you can charge him with a crime. >> just bring this into the political realm, on thursday it sounds like a lot of the candidate

for kenneth chesebro. he demanded a speedy trial.y powell, literally, cut and pasted his actual demand for a speedy trial, didn't shape the gender from his to her. >> seriously? >> seriously. >> come on. >> verbatim. we don't have a trial date, there is a possibility that maybe she can get a trial date as quickly as the end of october as well. by judge mcafee. in the meantime, we have our eyes set on monday, very important hearing on monday. mark meadows is the canary in the coal mine, as i like to say. he's floating that test balloonist with or not he qualifies as a federal official to remove his case to federal court. i'd like to remind people, it's actually a two-step process. can you get in the door to federal court, can you stay in federal court? it's really actually a pretty low bar in terms of standard to get into federal court. whether he succeeds in getting his cases dismissed, because of the supremacy clause, which gives him purported immunity for the actions he took, when he was chief of staff, it's left to be seen. >> one

kenneth chesebro wants a quick trial. willis wants to try all 19 together. she's named october 23rd as the start date. i don't know anybody who thinks that is the start date. chesebro is entitled to this. some will be severed. he just got a new attorney today, donald trump. i would think that would bolster the argument that he needs more time to collect himself and prepare. >> yeah, i think that's right. i don't think that's why he got the attorney. i think steve is a good lawyer. i know him. he will be great in this case. he is competent and used to handling these larger cases and high profile cases,cases, rico . there's no way an attorney could be ready in that amount of time. the constitution guarantees a defendant the right to have an effective lawyer, not just a lawyer, but somebody effective. to have that, you really have to have time to prepare. the lawyers has to have time. the judge is not going to hold him or anybody else to this october date. he wants it. it was a good move by his lawyers. it throws down the gauntlet. let's move forward. if you ha

ones that are lower down the chain of culpability prefer to be severed, and it is easier for kenneth chesebro to be sitting down from trump and the other conspirator conspirators, and so i see why they want to peel off, and have them preview the evidence. i think that chesebro believes that if he is going first, the government will not be showing all of the cards in the trial, because of the looming and much more significant trial of the former president and other, and tactically, i understand why a defendant or two would want to go fast particularly if it is going to result in a severance which is favorable for them. >> i wanted to ask you about mark meadows, and we have talked about him in the past, and what you did and didn't get from mark meadows in your investigation for the january 6th congressional meeting, and he is trying to get a hearing monday and have his case moved from state to federal court, and in request to get it moved, the attorney put it this way, that he did not act ail leelly in his actions, and stripped of 20th, the sbe tailed duties of the core functions of a presentat

early, and she's prevailed on the date or kenneth chesebro should she went off. she proposed, october 30, first, today and will dinner. faber and she's, prevailed so far in the middle. skates and he wanted to wait until his proceeding with this. case so she is already, i, mean, along long process. she is betting 1000 in front of judges. >> and you know, we don't know, you can't tell what's going on inside of a prosecution, or inside. out any criminal investigation except for what they say in court. except for what they publicly right. which is the way it should, be it's part of the process. but there was a, sensor fani willis's investigation that she was telegraphing a very long time in advance that this was coming, and that she was prepared, and she described it as imminent a long time before she finally brought her -- >> probably gave a lot of imminent. yes, exactly, but i think it probably gave people a lot of, oh boy, they acquired what. boy is this ever gonna happen? i keep hearing it's gonna happen. but part of that may have been that she was getting ready

giuliani, john eastman, and sidney powell, along with former doj official jeffrey clark and lawyer kenneth chesebrohe document as a political consultant, has not been identified. the indictment comes as mr trump is leading the polls for the republican nominee for president, far ahead of his leading rival florida governor, ron desantis. the latest new york times — sienna poll puts trump in a head—to—head with incumbent democratic presidentjoe biden. if the election were today, the polls show biden claiming

should also be noted that after one of trump's codefendants, lawyer kenneth chesebro, invoked his right to a speedy trial in fulton county, fulton county's district attorney fani willis, the prosecutor in the case, today told the court that she's ready to take this case to trial right away. she told the court that she's ready to start a trial of all 19 defendants including trump together 60 days from today. on october 23rd, 2023. and i'm no lawyer, but just under the laws of physics, that seems definitely impossible. but we really haven't been here before. so who knows if the restrictions that we think of as applying to time and space still hold here. these are live shots right now of trump's plane on the tarmac at hartsfield-jackson airport in atlanta. we do expect that after he gets off this plane, we're not expecting remarks, i don't believe, from him. although again, anything could happen. we do expect that the motorcade that he's going to take from the hartsfield-jackson airport to the fulton county jail should take less than an hour. and we think that there will be a pool camera i

so it is a very important move by kenneth chesebro, and it's gonna affect how this all plays out. >> and donald trump's lawyers came in right behind that, saying that if this motion is granted, we want a severance. >> they want to separate? >> exactly. they said of any other defendants ask for the same they want to be separated from them as well. >> it's a good question about what the tactical advantages for kenneth chesebro. could be a couple of things. he could be hoping that the dea is not ready. when i was a prosecutor i used to worry about this. what if someone demands a speedy trial. we're not necessarily ready. i would guess that she is ready. and maybe they want a speedy trial. the reason what we have the speedy trial protections of the constitution is because people are not supposed to have cases lingering over them for longer than necessary. or it could be that this is a coordinated, tactical maneuver where it was basically decided that somebody go firstly. the canary in the coal mine. get out there, for some to do an early trials for the rest of us can sit back and watch.

him and his team, to try to fight the war. >> john, the other piece of big trump news today, kenneth chesebro appears to have been outside the capitol on january 6th has also been indicted. but we need to know about him and the role he played? >> absolutely alicia, the important thing about chesebro has not only been indicted in georgia, but believed to be one of the unindicted coconspirators in the jacks mid-january 6th case. the reason he's so important in these trials is he was the guy who came up with the fake electors scheme, according to the january 6th committee. they had said that he basically gave step-by-step instructions to the fake electors on how to do their job. the new york times unearthed the memo in which he had originally suggested this idea to put together fake electors. even though he said it was likely unconstitutional, he believed it could create the kinds of delays and chaos that might help overturn some of the results. >> renato, the fact that he pled the fifth when he was talking to the january 6th committee about where he was in january of 2021, and the fact that now

when you look at that email that you just cited, melissa, i want to be scrupulously fair here, kenneth chesebro speculating that thomas would be their best shot doesn't mean that he would have been. this is a speculation by chesebro, and maybe he wouldn't have been. but i have to say that if i were justice thomas, we know that his wife is communicating with john eastman. we know she's texting mark meadows about the coup. we know she favors the coup. we have people inside the coup plot counting on you. i would be mortified that they thought that of me. that they think that this guy is their guy, that when they are trying to pull off the first coup in american history, or the first since fort sumter, basically, that the guy that they might save them is justice thomas. >> coop cuckoo, chris. he doesn't seem to mind that he is known as their guy. he doesn't seem to. mine he revels in that. again, these are close associations with the kinds of conservative interests not only have business before the court but in the wake of january six we are lots of defenses of what happened in the capital and what

and that is what kenneth chesebro is doing that. and he insisted on that, and from october to november, and if that happen, then at least two trial group, and maybe it is him and others and a later group, and you can bet that donald trump wants to be in the later group, and the judge almost can't force him into the early group, and then what are you doing with it, and it is every minute of the first trial, and almost every one of the government witnesses, and it is like being every playbook opened up in front of you. >> so it is the reason that bill belichick does not put out all of the plays in preseason, because he does not want the other teams to see it. >> and it is the reason that he spies on the other practices. >> that, too, and i would mot say that. >> and wears the cutoff sweatshirts which bothers me. >> now, you have to go, elie honig. >> only john brings up football talking about law, but it is okay. he is good at it. okay. joining us now is former homeland security adviser to talk about this, and watching the ex-presiden

another codefendant in the georgia case, this man kenneth chesebro has also filed a motion to sever his file from the others. mr. chesebro would like the court to release the names of 30 coconspirators in the indictment. there are 30 of them not named. fani willis told the court she wants all 19 defendants in this case filed together, no exceptions. chesebro and powell have all invoked georgia's speedy trial act to try to get their cases to court before all the other defendants in the case. another codefendant, trump lawyer, john eastman, says he intends to do the same. we don't know who the courts will side with on that particular question, but if those defendants think they're going to have an easier time on their own, they'll have to rethink their strategy. john eastman gave an interview to fox news where he issued this challenge. >> on the rico side of the fulton county case, that would require findings of bad faith. that would have to be you all basically agreeing implicitly, explicitly you all knew it was phony, and to that you say. >> well, they've got all the evidence, they've g

the memo purports to be written by kenneth chesebro, thought to be one of the co-conspirators involved in the broader plant. it includes language suggesting that its author knew this plan was likely to be thrown out by the supreme court and had other problems with it. it's described as sort of bold but maybe not going to work, in a way that sort of pokes holes at itself even as it's being thought out here. it's consistent with other evidence that we've seen that the january 6th committee has gotten their hands on and so forth. it does appear to be kind of the early genesis of what became this broader plot. we at nbc news are very interested in getting our hands on that memo. >> garrett haake, chuck rosenburg, mary mcchord, thank you. >>> the new effort under way to boost the trust americans have in the voting process and safeguard our democracy. that's coming next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. mitchell reports" on msnbc. astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably

the memo was written by lawyer kenneth chesebro.or number five in the election interference indictment and remember that none of the co-conspirators named in the indictment have been charged. cnn's jessica schneider is following this. it is very interesting what is coming out in this memo and walk us through what you see. >> yeah. it's interesting. it's revealing and of course, it is known to prosecutors and will leakly likely be a key part of the case. kenneth chesebro, this is his memo, he knew it was far fetched and likely illegal and he kept pushing his plan and he wanted to create confusion in hopes that the fake electors could, in fact, be substituted for the real electors on january 6th. this was a plot he planned to execute through the vice president mike pence and mike pence's role as president of the senate and that way he believed trump's team could then steal the election. this is a six-page memo where chesebro lays out the court challenges that were happening in the states and then walked about the supreme court potenti

case, the president, his colleagues, his codefendants, see some avenge with the exception of kenneth chesebro. i think chesebro's trial will put a lot of pressure on the other defendants because they're going to be called out. they're going to look likely to cut deals. the more pressure there is, the harder it is for the president to avoid it. that being said, i'm skeptical the trial goes forward. >> we'll be watching. the other big question, as you know, clark cunningham, is not the timing but the place. you have meadows and others trying to move this to federal court. we've had lawyers on our set before say it's unlikely they win that argument. what's your view? >> you know, i think that the district attorney is making a very powerful argument against the mark meadows atemp to move his case to federal court. with luck, we'll here mark meadows on the witness stand under oath being cross examined, which will make monday a really remarkable event. the district attorney makes a really good point, which is that everything that mark meadows is accused of doing, she says was actually illegal under

i think kenneth chesebro and sidney powell. chesebro's trial is set for october 23rd. i think the prevailing wisdom is sidney powell will be batched together with him. there may be more defendants who requests speedy trials. let's be clear, because fani willis decided that she wanted to indict 19, this a really comprehensive case that she brought, it looks like she is determined to hold accountable everybody who violated georgia state law as compared to jack smith, who is doing a very targeted prosecution up in d.c. against donald trump, one that is built for speed. it seems like it's going to take some time to sort all of this out. and i think there will end up being de facto severances. i have a feeling you're not going to see 19 people going to trial on october 23rd, though i would love to see that case. i think i mentioned the other day, she might have to rent out a stadium to get all of the defense teams in there. of course it will be televised, which i think will be a very good thing for the american people to see for their own eyes the evidence against these 19