for more, i'm pleased to be joined by kenneth nunn, professor of law, professor nunn, what a pleasure you on "viewpoint." >> thank you, a pleasure to be here. >> john: let me ask the most obvious question. were you surprised at this verdict on saturday? >> well, no, i wasn't surprised because these are very difficult cases. you can look at this case as being essentially the same as a police brutality case where the police shot a young black unarmed male. jurors tend to sympathize with the police, and almost everything in this case tracked that path. so it was a difficult case for the prosecution to win. and so i wasn't surprised with the outcome. i do think that the prosecution could have presented their case in a more compelling way. that might have made a difference. >> john: with zimmerman's background and some of the comments he made on the 911 tape as well, and his choice to ignore the 911 dispatcher, do you think there was sufficient evidence for the jury to convict on second-degree murder or manslaughter? >> oh, yes. i've had many cases that were second-degree murder cases that