we're talking with kenneth rock, the former head of human rights watch. and now visiting professor at princeton university can it's great to see you. you've long been at the helm of i would call the contents of at least america and much of the world when it comes to looking at human rights violations and pointing the mountain shining a spotlight on them. what do you see in gaza today? well, you know, it's a devastating situation, i think, as we all know, and you know, sadly this is not just an unfortunate consequence of war. this is a deliberate strategy on the part of the internet. we go. and what everybody's focusing on for most now is natania, who's starvation strategy on that was the subject of the international court of justice is a new ruling this week. and you know what we seeing is that these really, governments, you know, let's in dribs and drabs today, i'm is trying to prevent large scale data, but it's not letting in anywhere near enough a, to prevent large scale. songbird starvation, and as a new un report is just found eminent status. and so,