joining us, two prominent economists with different viewpoints: kenneth rogoff, professor of economics at harvard university; and mark zandi, chief economist at moodyseconomy.com. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> suzanne: one thing we can agree is the worse of the financial crises is over but are we still in a recession or a recovery. mark, what do you say to that? >> you know i think the recession is just about over. this has been a very severe downturn but i think just about at the end of its tenure, i think it's going to be a bit of a slog over the coming year but the good news is this long dark period is just about done. >> susie: ken, do you agree with that. >> well, i do. the i mean i think we're not falling off a cliff and jobs are still going down and probably will for a while longer. but we'll get for recovery. the question's what's ahead. >> susie: and what is ahead? >> well i think we're looking at five years of much slower growth than we saw before the financial crises. there's so many challenges. home prices. i don't think they're bouncing back. i can i consum