mubarak who is the spokeswoman for the sudanese professionals association and also in khartoum is kenneth roth he is the executive director of human rights watch thank you for joining us and welcome to the program ken i really want to start with you because i believe that you just walked out of the meeting with the head of sudan's transitional government. do you think that this is a real commitment on the part of sudan's government to actually send an al bashir to be tried by the i.c.c. . well i should say i just within the last few hours met both with prime minister hun duck and with general braun who as you note is the chairman of the transitional sovereign council the 11 member combined military civilian body that serves as an essence the collective presidency of sudan during this transitional period now i think it's important to kind of look at the language yesterday one of the civilian members of the sovereign council said that by cher and the other 4 who have been charged by the international criminal court would appear before the international criminal court leaving open whether that me

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