we have with us, kenneth roth is a former executive director of human rights. walter and a visiting professor at princeton university, joining us from new york. thanks for your time. so when the new at experts sound the alarm for genocide, how significant is the statement and sort of a country stop and pause and, and take it in. but frankly, you know, governments should have been pausing already because you know, whether this is janice i or simply large scale work crimes. the fact is it gets for all of their or what, you know, an estimate of 12000 and probably that's a small number. and underestimate, but $12000.00 civilian casualties so far. and, you know, these really government is regular. we indiscriminately bombing neighborhoods even attracting military targets, knowing that the time to sit going into the disproportionate. and we saw that in the trolley, a refugee camp. and we see this in the tax on hospitals where, you know, at this point the, it's clear that there is no immediate threats to these river government to me from the hospitals. you know, they're, they're scraping to find a r