linda tripp gives those tapes to paula jones' lawyers and kenneth starr's office. nt has to give a deposition in the jones case. >> part of the danger for the president lies in what he said under oath to lawyers for paula jones. mr. clinton denied in his deposition having a sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. >> did the president agree with lewinsky to deny their affair under oath? >> if the president, in fact, encouraged this woman to lie under oath or ask someone else to encourage her, that's a crime. >> it's a different order of magnitude than any of the previous charges that the president had to put up with for seven years. >> what the white house is in for is another legal nightmare. >> hey, ho, clinton's got to go. hey, ho, clinton's got to go. >> this was a howl coming up in the media and from republicans. people were horrified after this. it was overpowering. >> i want you to listen to me. i'm going to say this again. i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. i never told anybody to lie. not a single time. never. these allegations

linda tripp gives those tapes to paula jones' lawyers and kenneth starr's office. dent has to give a deposition in the jones case. >> part of the danger for the president lies in what he said under oath to lawyers for paula jones. mr. clinton denied in his deposition having a sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. >> did the president agree with lewinsky to denye -- deny their affair under oath? >> if the president, in fact, encouraged this woman to lie under oath or ask someone else to encourage her, that's a crime. >> it's a different order of magnitude than any of the previous charges that the president had to put up with for seven years. >> what the white house is in for is another legal nightmare. >> hey, ho, clinton's got to go. hey, ho, clinton's got to go. >> this was a howl coming up in the media and from republicans. people were horrified after this. it was overpowering. >> i want you to listen to me. i'm going to say this again. i did not ve sexual retions with that woman, miss lewinsky. i never told anybody to lie. not a single time. never. these alle

i compare the bob mueller investigation now with the kenneth starr investigation of bill clinton and trish, to me, it looks like a mirror, looks like an absolute reverse. starr had substance, he had fingerprints, missing billing records, money from china, pictures in the oval office with the president of chinese officials. china on the fast track to wto, involving trillions of dollars eventually, substance and he off into the sex scandal. it didn't lead to impeachment. i see bob mueller, he has nothing, a conclusion in search of an investigation without evidence. but he is very off into something now. trish: if he did have something, would we have heard? i would think maybe you would given leaks happening right now, but nothing has been leaked of any consequence. should we know it by, about something by now, doug, this far in? >> absolutely. and it is troubling the witch-hunt idea is troubling because, you can eventually find something about anybody, about you and me, if you put the muscle of the government behind it and bob mueller's reputation depends on it. he has all of these wal

to do, and they have been given wide latitude but certainly i think it is sort of ironic that kenneth starr was sort of warning against this notion of a fishing expedition, given the point david made. >> i think irony is precisely the word. and what about the grand jury also. this broke during the show, but we're talking more about how they're issuing speeb subpoenub witnesses. what does that tell you about the stage of the investigation now? >> i still think we're in an early stage. i know the viewers may not want to hear that, but i think what we're going to see in the months ahead are witnesses being called to testify before the grand jury using grand jury subpoenas, and that the purpose of that is to -- for, you know, not only to force people to testify who might be reluctant to cooperate but also to get their testimony under oath and i think we're also going to hear about a lot of grand jury subpoenas for documents and records. a prrosecution and investigatio like this is going to leave no stone unturned. if i was mueller and on his team, i would be doing everything i could to gather a

i remember those foias going through every document trying to find what kenneth starr wanted that weekcoming in now, to do my job. >> the white house office of public liaisons friday at 8:00 eastern on c-span, c-span radio and c-span.org. >> c-span on the road meeting with winners of the student cam video documentary competition. at laramie high school in laramie, wyoming, gathering with families and officials to accept the first prize of $3000 for the documentary on wyoming's dependence on fossil fuels. a classical academy accepted a second-place prize of $1500 for a documentary on cybersecurity, the third-place award, 7 $50, and there documentary of digital theft and hacking. st. thomas moore high school in south dakota where andre cope, and caroline anchorage with a price of 7 $50 for the documentary on racial inequality in america. about five hours in south dakota's seventh grader caleb miller and patrick henry middle school received a third-place prize of 7 $50 for his documentary on the national debt and one honorable mention, a prize of $250 for his documentary on marijuana. sar