you want to be kenneth starr, b kenneth starr, come to the judiciary committee, be the first witness take every question asked of you. neil: we thought that would be a good opportunity to talk to kenneth starr because republicans are telling adam schiff handle it like kenneth starr did, testify like he did. kenneth starr with us now. how are you? >> doing great, thank you. >> in the whitewater investigation, how did you do it differently? how was it handled differently? >> complete difference. i was a prosecutor and executive branch officer who had a duty to report to the house of representatives. what we are seeing here is this is a house show. bob mueller hasn't reported, no other special counsel has reported so this is a circus happening entirely within the people's house. i believe in egregious mistake has been made to prematurely go to impeachment rather than saying there are serious questions on the ukrainian situation and we want to get to the bottom of it and through closed hearings as oversight but once the speaker of the house of representatives unilaterally declared this w

. >> reporter: in this case there is no special prosecutor like kenneth starr to gather all that evidence>> my role today is to discuss our referral and the underlying investigation. >> reporter: so the intelligence committee has been investigating instead with a series of closed door depositions. >> this is not a joyful experience for anyone engaged in it, but it's an obligation that we have given the facts that have been discovered so far. >> reporter: president clinton famously said the process was beyond his control. >> it's not in my hands. it is in the hands of congress and the people of this country. ultimately, in the hands of god. >> reporter: president trump has mounted a more direct defense. >> we had a totally appropriate, i even say perfect conversation. >> reporter: in the end, the house voted to impeach president clinton on two charges, but he was acquitted by the senate less than two months later with some republicans crossing party lines. >> william jefferson clinton hereby is acquit to have had charges in the said articles. >> reporter: sensenbrenner predicts acquittal f

>> if we're going to deal with the clinton investigation and deal with kenneth starr, i'll agree withg collins. if chairman schiff wants to be kenneth starr then he should come testify in front of the committee. >> no, no, no, you're ducking my point, congressman. what i'm saying is this is how congress did it then. you said you wanted a fair process. it's the same process that you guys allowed in clinton. why is it unacceptable today? >> in fairness to me i wasn't here. >> the idea that you weren't there, congressman, is not that compelling, right? you're now a member of a party. this is about what the past was and what you're saying is now presumptively unfair but it's what you created and used in the past. it just seems to me like you guys don't want to go against the president, the process line was to buy time and today you negated it because you don't want to do this at all. fair point? >> no, it's not fair. the process point, i will agree with chairman schiff in the previous interview. i hope they release everything and i hope they have every single one of these witnesses testif

also allowed the president to cross-examine prosecution witnesses, including kenneth starr, of special counsel, and the president's counsel is not allowed to do that. we allowed the president and his counsel to confront his accuser, which is in the constitution. mr. schiff is not allowing that to happen. we are now in the public phase .f the hearings again, the president's counsel is not allowed to participate, and from what happened last week, schiff was violating one role after another are refusing to recognize people who have andtimate points of order parliamentary inquiries on the republican side. i'm afraid it is going to get worse when it gets to the judiciary committee. mr. schiff is supposed to present peers report to the dues sherry committee -- to the judiciary committee, or just to now has had exclusive jurisdiction over federal impeachments, not just judges but federal judges, as well. mueller nadler gave mr. a chance to present his findings on the russian probe to the judiciary committee and we spent the hours on morning finding out there was no obstruction. so there has b

we also allow the president to cross-examine prosecution witnesses, including kenneth starr, the special counsel, the president's counsel is not allowed to do that. we allowed the president and his counsel to confront his accuser, which is in the constitution. adam schiff is not allowing that to happen. we are now into the public phase of the hearings. again, the president's counsel is not allowed to participate. from what happened last week, he is violating one rule after the other by refusing to recognize people who have legitimate points of order and parliamentary inquiries on the republican side. i am afraid it will get worse when it gets to the judiciary committee. mr. schiff is supposed to present his report to the judiciary committee. which up until now, has had an exclusive jurisdiction over all federal impeachments. not just presidents, but federal judges as well. chairman radler, from new york, -- nadler,. -- from new york, gave mr. mueller a chance to present his findings on the russia probe to the judiciary committee. we spent about three hours one morning finding out that th

a report from kenneth starr. and any subsequent manners. to finish this by december 31. we can ask for an extension, and that can happen. the american people want this to be a fair process. recognize this is not a fair process. we have a duty, each and every person in this chamber has a duty to do that and a fair way. i think each of us has to and askour conscience whether we want to have a wide range fishing expedition or whether we want to focus it on reports that have been brought to us in any subsequent manners. that in a bipartisan basis and i think that will be fair. i yield back the balance of my time. to thepleased to yield distinguished gentleman from ohio. >> mr. speaker, this is obviously a difficult time for every member of this house. set -- said by , iry hyde -- over and above think it is important to recognize the words of the gentleman from pennsylvania. that really is why we are here and over the past several weeks and months a number of us have dusted up our copies of the federalist papers. james madison put it perfectly. he said justice is the end of g

we have a report from kenneth starr. we should focus on the report and any subsequent matters. we should have a target date of completion. byshould aim to finish this december 31. if we cannot get it done, we can ask for an extension. the american people want this to be a safe process. they recognize this is not a fair process. the president may be punished. the president should be held accountable. to do that in a fair way. each of us has to examine our conscience and ask whether we want to have a wide-ranging fishing expedition or whether we want to focus it on the report that has been brought to us and any subsequent matters. if we do that, i think we can do that in a bipartisan basis. i think that will be fair. that is what the american people want. >> gentleman from illinois. >> mr. speaker, i am pleased the yield to the distinguished gentleman from california, two minutes. >> gentleman is recognized. is obviously a difficult time for every member of this house. hyde, said first by henry duty, duty, duty. mr. barrett just talked about our duty. over and above our duty, i t

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president clinton tries to keep kenne kenneth starr who's the independent prosecutor from being ableiew all of his advisers, and ultimately loses that battle in court. so i think what we're seeing with president trump is a scale and scope. it's the way in which he experts executive power. it's just much bolder and much grander than what we saw in those other two cases. >> and so larry, you know, if federal courts, you know, protect the executive branch officials who have currently filed a lawsuit, you know, from testifying, how do you see this possibly forever, you know, leveraging the powers of the executive branch against any checks and balances efforts? >> well, it will make investigative powers from congress kind of toothless. boy, what richard nixon wouldn't have give for this kind of stone walling. julian knows that well. nixon tried to stone wall, but you had a heavily democratic congress, and many of the judges had also been appointed by democrats. so this is a very situation. i think the democrats in the house are going to have to focus heavily on what they have already disc

to do with those facts rather than a highly opinionated and lengthy report along the lines of kenneth starr in the course of your investigation you turn up evidence of criminal behavior by people other than the president, obviously this is an impeachment proceeding of the president, if you turn up evidence, serious evidence of serious crimes committed by other people either on the periphery of this or elsewhere in the administration, do you make criminal referrals in that information? do you include that in the type of fact based report you were just describing? >> we certainly can make criminal referrals and there are times we have referred matters to the justice department where we thought for example witnesses had committed or potentially committed perjury before our committee. so it's not uncommon for those referrals to happen. they're not certainly common, but that is a practice that the congress has used in the past. i don't know that would be a part of this report, which really the purpose of this report is for the judiciary committee and ultimately the house if the committee were to

then we've also seen republicans sort of look at adam schiff as being sort of the, trying to be kenneth starr, who was special prosecutor in the clinton, surrounding the clinton impeachment investigation. and so his role and everything kind of controlling everything there, and they're very frustrated with the process. so it is going to be, they're trying to focus on the actual content of what was said, it is something that the republicans have been staying away from, because so much of this is not focused on just what was said in the call, but a lot of the circumstances around it. and so that is definitely going to be a switching strategy for them. >> emily, part of the president's defense, as we were kind of alluding to there, is for people to read the reconstructed transcript of the call with zelensky implying he has nothing to hide. >> is it a memo of the transcript skm? is it likely that we could ever see in this process a much more comprehensive account of what actually took place on that phone call, and that could be problematic for the president? or is what we're seeing probably the en

. >> joining our discussion now, paul rosenzweig, senior counsel for special prosecutor kenneth starrn the investigation of president clinton. he served as secretary of policy for homeland security during george w. bush's administration. and also joining us republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast, rick wilson. he is the author of the book on gordon sondland's night table, "everything trump touches dies." rick, thank you very much for joining us tonight and bringing life to your book once again this week. >>> paul, let me start with you and your evaluation of the evidence you have seen developed in the intelligence committee. >> well, i think it's a very powerful case for establishing the fact that the president sought to personally benefit himself through the investigation of his political opponent by abusing his political -- his presidential authority, and tying an investigation of his political opponent to the withholding of aid that congress had passed and demanded that he deliver it to the ukraine. it's almost exactly what the founders thought of when they thought

sensenbrenner: what bill clinton did was identify as possibly impeachable conduct by the special counsel kenneth starr. and he was appointed under a law, which has expired, and i let it expire when i was chairman, as i thought it was a bad law. and when he gave the house of representatives the 40 boxes of evidence and said that this was possibly impeachable, i think that made it incumbent upon us to determine whether it was impeachable conduct. now, with respect to obstruction of justice, what that evidence showed is that in the civil suit that was filed against clinton for sexual harassment, there were gifts that the president monicaly gave to lewinsky that ended up being retrieved by the president, put in a box, and hidden under the president's secretary's bed. that is clearly obstruction of justice. as a matter of fact, and this was obstruction of justice. as a matter of fact, after it was all over with, the federal judge who presided over that position, federal judges really do that, but this federal judge did in the case of the president, made a determination he had obstructed justice, and him th

kenneth starr explained there was no john dean to testify. this is what the president told me.d less the execution of an intelligible ofn than a chaotic mishmash constantly changing urges and demands, a toxic brew of individuals whispering into his ear. giuliani was filling his head with all sorts of conspiracy theories that made the president very hostile to the country. an essay for mark theissen. who won yesterday? kevin: i don't think anything changed. i think marc theissen headed on the head where centrist republicans that are up for grab stand. every single republican lawmaker i spoke with including their staff and strategists say this did not move the needle at all to convince republicans to join democrats. tom: i do not you to do your inner noah feldman on this monograph on impeachment, but is ae confidence -- incompetence high crime and misdemeanor inside the beltway? kevin: some would argue it is. i am not a lawyer, i am a journalist, so what you are hearing from the essay is what you will be hearing from the likes of moderate republicans, senator mitt romney for exam

in the case of clinton, the independent counsel kenneth starr.d much of the fact-finding and turned over what they had learned to the house. then it was the house that went public and considered those facts and moved the impeachment article. different this time. what the house of representatives is working with here is not the work of a prosecutor, not really working with the mueller report. they are working with their own fact-finding, which is they would say, appropriately done behind closed doors. when doing fact-finding, you should do off-camera than go public when you have your ducks in a row. host: joining us from seminole, florida on the democrats line. good morning, alan? guest: good morning. i think what we are observing here is kind of sad. caller: it is a reminder of how how emoved we are -- unremoved from our cheapens the dust from our cheapens the origins. it is amazing to see the the put all their chips on the front is -- it is amazing to see the g.o.p. put all their chips on .his president to hang their political lives on a preside