. >> well, kenneth thorpe can say whatever he wants to say. a lot of the assumptions that he made in his analysis are absolutely incorrect. chris, here's where we are as a nation. this is not debatable. we have 29 million people without any health insurance. we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. millions of our people have huge deductibles and co-payments. and, yet, per capita, we are spending three times more than the british who cover all their people, 50% more than the french, and far more than canadians. >> kenneth thorpe says that it's exactly the problems with your plan are exactly the reason that you're own state of vermont had to drop single payer. >> kenneth thorpe, i mean, you know, you quote the one guy. i think it was just a piece in one of the newspapers today by the foremost experts on single payer systems who really denounced kenneth thorpe and his analysis. >> finally, sir, the republicans have held debates on all the networks but the democrats so far have refused to hold a debate on fox. you are coming

of the newspapers today by the foremost experts on single payer systems who really denounced kenneth thorpe and his analysis. i respectfully disagree with mr. thorpe. >> finally, sir, the republicans have held debates on all the networks but the democrats so far have refused to hold a debate on fox. you are coming on here tonight. we're very grateful. i hope you feel that you haven't been mistreated. would you be willing to participate in a democratic debate on fox news? >> if we went -- were clear to understand what the game -- the guidelines were and what the they were fair and the dnc wasn't paying for it, i would have no objection. >> i assume you've seen this interview we just did. i hope you've seen the interview. >> chris, i have seen this interview but i have also seen other interviews. so if i could have a guarantee and knew who the questioners were and if the framework for the debate was fair, i would have no objection. >> well, i'll take that as a definite maybe. senator sanders, thank you so much for coming on. please come back, sir. >> okay. thank you very much, chris. >>> and

of anglican settlers, and english historian named kenneth dover in our book wrote something that is rather interesting about the background of ogle thorpequote. a friend of onlilethorpe's laden with debt which he could not pay was thrown into the fleet prison and died there of smallpox under horrifying conditions. few among us comprehend suffering and injustice until they are thrust under our eyes by the experience of someone we know. and we like to be judged by what we do then, without too close a scrutiny of what we failed to do before. his reaction to the death of his friend, robert castel, was to ask parliament to appoint a committee which would visit the london prison and make recommendations for reform. some, not enough, of the guilty were punished and some, not enoughing we regulations were made to stop abuse nets the future. at the rate the fate of this desperate knock the eyes of the secure and prosperous war torn and would never again be patched up. certainly the curtain was torn forever for james and it was the emotional epiphany that gave the rest of his long life iron willed commitment. what we have on our squares, they ori