kenneth williams so and i think we just took him to our hearts, you know , he was he was a breath you fresh air, really, as were the two ronnies. >> tell me about your time writing for those legends , tony, writing for those legends, tony, among others. of course . uh among others. of course. uh well, yes, they were the first people i ever got a check from, if you like . if you like. >> you know, i'd been trying to write, uh, professionally for a while , and the first jokes while, and the first jokes i ever sold were to the two ronnies. newsdesk that they used to do at the beginning and end of the show. um and so that was a, you know, what a start. and of course, i got invited down to the television centre to see a show being rehearsed and recorded . that was my first time recorded. that was my first time in a television studio . so the in a television studio. so the two ronnies, you know, it was amazing . amazing. >> uh, what's your appraisal, tony, of modern comedy. do you like it ? like it? >> um, yes. i mean , the truth >> um, yes. i mean, the truth is, i'm. i'm getting old now, a