we can be allies with the soviet union, we can contain them, as they said, containment was george kennon's theory about communism, which said you don't confront them, at least militarily, you work with them diplomatically, don't let them get any bigger, but they'll do their thing and we'll do ours, and it didn't take very long before several people, many former communists themselves said no, this is not right. these people are -- have a very different attitude toward us than you think, they want to take us over, they want to bury us, they want to infiltrate our government, and there were, then, a couple of big cases, the rosenburg case, for one, people were spying on mr. and mrs. rosenberg, then alger hiss was another one, a man who testified against him, subsequently indicted and convicted, as a purgerer but convicted really because he'd been a spy. chambers wrote a book which had a huge impact, number one best seller for months and months and months and with that, people began to recognize what this was what is called an evil empire and their designs on the united states were less than h