this is kenny aman. he lives up the road. they go until somebody gives up? >> i think they pretty much go until somebody gives up. when it gets -- >> a points system? >> no, no, there's no points system. basically when the other one turns around and runs away, that's the winner. few times one bull will actually get around to the side and actually be able to flip the bull over. >> right. win or lose or survive? both? >> most of the times you'll have injuries but most the time the bulls go home. >> they go home to be happy. >> they do. >> nobody's turned into steaks or cutlets. >> no. >> togyu started as early as the 17th century with farmers pitting bull against bull. they love it in agricultural communities so much like this it was briefly banned in some places because farmers were spending too much time at the fights and not enough time growing sugarcane. like cus d'amato in the young tyson, training them, conditioning them to be monsters in the ring in the other. yeah. does one wager on this? >> i guess the official answer