we went to lottery, we went to keno. >> this is just another notch on this, but they're not big revenue gainers. as a long-time budget person there is no more important million dollars than the last million dollars. >> so the other thing to think about because the other thing, it is whether these things are taxing bads, taxing things like cigarettes, even some conversation about taxing soda, it's about discouraging behavior. so when we talk about things like carbon taxes, are they trying to discourage the behavior where you have a double divide dividend, you are trying to affect what people are doing but you need to recognize the fact that that money will go away if people stop doing it versus something that you see is sort of, you know, norton francis brought this up when he was discussing about whether or not it is entertainment, right? is gambling and sports and entertainment sin? is it entertainment and sin? you have different thoughts about the money, how you want to tax certain things, and how we're moving in these directions. >> i would like you to ask to please introduce yoursel